As you are aware that Government has decided to setup the Sixth Pay Commission. Now you may be thinking about how much should be the increase in your wages or what will be the recommendations of the said commission? So let us have a comment of you that what do you think should be the minimum increase in the pay or what should new to be done by the commission for example should the transport allowance be linked with the index of cost of Petroleum products?
So give your comment by clicking link below and let others also view your comments. By the time commission starts working we may have good opinion about what should be done.
yes I think cost of Pertoleum Product
ReplyDeleteshould be the basis of
Transport allowance. You are right Manisha. Pay Commission
sould also see
how much Private Sector is paying to the employees.
Ks Sharma
if government want to attract talant students it shoud pay decent salary for at least class I and class II level officers.
ReplyDeleteIf a group A level officer is not entitled for Air travel for official purpose waht is the point in joining in government service.
ReplyDeleteAll most all govt servants are recruited by competetion.They are if you like it or not the better among the lots at the time of recruitment..So they may deserve to be on par with top private companies on pay compensation to continue to be attractive..Their productivity and work culture however leaves much to be desired ,as it is today..As a model employer government might give 30%hike (cost to government) on the average across all salary scales with a liberal VRS scheme and retirement benefits.
ReplyDeleteThere is lot of hallo ballo about the constitution of the Sixth Pay Commission. As rightly pointed out by intelligentia group that officers of the Central Govt. are pathetically paid. Lower level people also deserve better treatment keeping in view that they should also be at par with the other organised sector. As for reduction in manpower as suggested by Fifth Pay Commission, there is considerable reduction in the staff position; at the time of implementation of Fifth Pay Commisson, the Central Staff accounted for more than 4 million staff which now stands around 3.3 million. Govt has also fixed norms that new appointment should be equal to one third of total number of vacancies on account of retirement, death etc.
ReplyDeleteOne small point will throw light on how pathetically the touring officers are compensated. A middle level officer less that Joint Secretary of Govt. of India is paid Rs.505/- per day if he stays in hotel in Delhi on tour. In Delhi, not even juggi will be available for rent of Rs.500/-. As for revision of travel allowances, it is NOT the question of revising the quantum. It should be made clear that periodical review is undertaken by a permanent mechanism for revision in such cases.
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most of the allowances are not paid as per market standards. for example HRA,TA,CCA and daily allowances in tour.these allowances must be changed every 2 years as per market prices.If a class I officer getting 2000 rupees as house rent in cities like bangalore , pune how he can manage to get accomondation in thet cost.
ReplyDeleteA entry level computer engineer salary in ISRO of DRDO can not be more than Rs.18000 but entry level salary in MNCs are much more higher than this figure so if we want see developement in our scientific technical resarch progrems , profesional such as scientists, engineers in government must be paid decent salary and performance based incentives.at least 50% increase is needed from current level.
ReplyDeleteThere is no cadre restructuring for the Stenographers in Zonal railways for the last about fifteen years. Stenographers are the most neglected and suffering category in Zonal railways. Their pay scales should be revised after providing the cadre restructuring pending for the last fifteen years and make at par with other categories keeping in view the nature of duties and responsibilities they shoulder
ReplyDeleteThere is discriminating behaviour with the stenographers posted in zonal railways in India in comparison with the stenographers posted in Ministry of Railways office. Though the selection process is the same i.e., the stenographers selected by the Railway Recruitment Boards are posted in Ministry of Railways's office and also in zonal railways, out of the jointly selected stenographers, but the promotional avenues to the stenographers posted in Ministry of Railways office are much much better than the stenographers posted in zonal railways. Why there is discrimination with the stenographers posted in zonal indian railways ? Is this not a case of violation of fundamental rights ?
ReplyDeleteSome ideas for pay commission
ReplyDelete1.Talent should be given priority and not seniority
2.Performance based incentives would help improve efficiency
3.Priority to improve the performance and functionality of government machinary.
4.Reduction in staff
It is not the quantumn of increase that is expected by the officials. Officials should be paid honoroubly to keep their head high and boost the image of the government and lead an independent life. He should be able to live in a decent place, taking care of his UNEMPLOYED wife, educate two children and take care of his old-age parents. This would be the desire almost in the mind of everybody. Govt. should not deprive of this to its employees and act as a rollmodel for the entire industry to follow suit. Govt. servant should not be put to shame by forcing him to take loans etc. to run his daytoday life and put him in an embarrassing position of not being able to run a peaceful family life. Afterall, the best are taken into the workforce thru competitive exams.
ReplyDeletesalaries should allow a low level govt. employee to lead a decent living. group D employees are paid a pittance. newly recruited groupp D employees are mostly well educated youth.
ReplyDeleteIn a city like Bangalore, A direct recruit Civil Service Officer of the Central government is paid:
ReplyDeleteHRA of Rs.1800 per month. What sort of accomodation can he get?
TA of Rs. 800, which is not enough for even bus charge to go to office. It was fixed when petrol price was less than Rs.19 per Litre. Now Petrol costs more than Rs.55 in the city.
City allowance is Rs. 300.....!
Who will come forward to serve the government under such pathetic conditions....?
There should be minimum of 100% increase in the over all salary
UPSC selection to the central civil service is considered to be the toughest recruitment in the world. The cream of the talent in the country only can get through it.They are supposed to be on duty 24 Hrs a day, and are liable to be transferred to any place any time. All Group A Officers should be provide, apart from a decent salary
ReplyDelete1)Rent free land and mobile phone connections
2)Lap top computers
3)Flight eligibility
4)Instead of TA, reimbursement of cost ot Petrole charges of 40 Ltrs. as applicable in their city.
5) Decent accommodation or HRA @ 50% of their basic pay.
A 100 % increase would be just and reasonable
ReplyDeleteTranspot allowance should be the same for all class according to the distance from residance to the Place of work.
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ReplyDeleteShould there be any comparison/parity between pay scales and perquisites in Government and the public/private sector?
Certainly yes. It is to be noted that, not too long ago, the salaries in the private sector was not as attractive as in the government sector. Many of the serving government employees have joined the govt. service when they were having other options also. They have chosen to serve the people of the country over other options.
Secondly, the government servant also will have to live, bring up and educate his children among those who are employed in the private sector or well paid public sector companies. In the present scenario even a Group ‘A’ officer would not be able to afford to send his child who has obtained admission on merit basis, to an IIM or any other premier educational institute, which is sponsored or established by the Government itself (not to speak of private institutes) as the expenses thereof per year would be more than the employees total income, whereas people who were not able to make it to the Civil Services being less competent, and hence joined the public or private sector, would be able to afford quality education for their children inside or even outside the country.
Is it possible to quantify all other benefits, excluding pay, derived by employees in Government and the public and private sectors from security of tenure, promotional avenues, retirement packages, housing and other invisibles? In view of these benefits, can there be any fair comparison between the salaries available in the government vis-à-vis the salaries in the private sector?
While considering this aspect, it has to be noted that at present, as far as the other benefits such as, promotional avenues, housing, LTA, medical benefits, TA, Tuition fee for the children etc. are concerned also, the private sector, is much more attractive than the Government sector. Regarding Pensions, which was considered as one of the most attractive factor in the Government sector, it is to be noted that, for the new entrants to the service even the pension has been made contributory, resulting in an actual decrease of 10% in their net take home salary. Even their savings through the PF attracts 0.5% less interest rate, than in the Private sector. (And the government does it by incurring huge expenditure to provide for this higher rate of interest to the private sector employees). In fact there has been only a reduction in the facilities provided to the Govt. employees. Suspension of LTC is an example. Another example is the CGHS facility, where the Government employee’s facility to consult specialist doctors (on reference) at recognized private hospitals has been taken away. Now even senior officials will have to consult Govt. doctors at General Government hospitals, which facility is even otherwise available to all, irrespective of their being in the Govt. service and paying a contribution for CGHS. Another point to be considered is that the salary of the government employee is as such subject to laws and rules of Income Tax, whereas in the private sector, very conveniently they split the salaries in to components and reimbursements so as to avoid to the maximum level, the income tax.
In order to ensure a fair comparison based on principles of equity and social justice, would it not also be appropriate to take into account the economic conditions of large sections of the community that are less privileged than Government employees and many of whom live below the poverty line?
In fact the bureaucracy being well or adequately paid is in the interest and for the welfare of the large sections of the community, and promotes equity and social justice, for the following reasons:
a) It is the Government machinery, which has to formulate and implement schemes and programs for the welfare and benefit of the larger community. Hence it is necessary that the Government machinery is manned with people with ability and quality, which cannot be attained if the working conditions are not attractive, especially so, in the ‘high pay’ era of private enterprises.
b) Government sector provides and ensures employment opportunities for the talented among the under privileged sections of the society including SC/ST, OBC, physically handicapped, etc. The well-paid jobs in the private sector are accessible mainly to the convent / public school educated elite layer of the society. Moreover, there are no prescribed criteria for the recruitment in to the private sector employment. It is as per the wishes of the management. So Government sector is the only avenue available for the children of the poor ordinary man, to come up in life by their own efforts. If salaries in the Government are not made at par with that of the private sector, it only adds to widen the gap between the elite and the poor sections of the society.
c) Being underpaid (as it is today) would only demoralize the public servant, which in turn would slow down the process of development of the country.
d) An adequately paid civil service would be less or not corrupt, which again is more beneficial for the community.
Salary structure in the Central and State Governments is broadly similar. The recommendations of the Pay Commission are likely to lead to similar demands from employees of State Governments, municipal bodies, panchayati raj institutions & autonomous institutions
Their paying capacity is considerably limited. To what extent should this factor be considered in devising a reasonable remuneration package for Central Government employees?
The central government service has always been and should always be above all other Government or local body services. People with much more competence only are able to get through the recruitment process in all levels of the central service, when compared to state or other such services. This difference will always reflect on the pay structure also. However more avenues may be provided for qualified employees with sufficient service, from such services for deputation (and absorption also) into Central services.
Another point to be considered is that, unlike the state government and other employees, the central Govt. employees are liable to be transferred and posted at any where in the country. This causes them much difficulty financially and in other ways. The studies of their children are most affected, and for reasons related to that quiet often the employee will have to stay apart from family again causing much expenses as he has to provide means for two households, apart from personal difficulties and emotional issues.
In fact the factor to be considered in devising a reasonable remuneration package for Central Government employees is the pay structure in public sector organizations including ONGC, Reserve Bank, Nationalized and public sector Banks, SEBI, the oil companies, Govt. owned air lines Etc. It is an undisputed fact that the selections to these organizations are much less tougher compared to selection by UPSC or SSC to the corresponding ranks. It is also true that a very high percentage of the officers of these organizations have chosen them on their failure to get through the civil service and other UPSC examinations. There is need to make at least the Group ‘A’ services, if not higher, at least at par with the pay and other emoluments provided by the best of such organizations. There is also need for providing a quota for deputation from the Government sector to higher positions in these organizations.
How should we determine the salary to be paid to a Secretary in the Central Government? Please suggest an appropriate basic pay for a Secretary? Can appointment to this post be made on a contractual basis where salaries and tenure are linked to the performance in terms of achieving defined targets?
While fixing the salaries of a Secretary in the Central Government who heads a department in the entire country, the salaries of the CEOs of the nations best performing five private sector companies and five public sector organizations may be looked into as a parameter. Appointment on contractual basis can also be considered. Instead of linking performance with salary, the system of monetary incentive may be implemented for encouraging better performance.
What should be the reasonable ratio between the minimum and the maximum of a pay scale?
In the private sector (especially in software, banking, Telecommunications, Insurance etc.) an employee gets promoted to the next position in about three years, whereas in the government the same takes many more years. This will definitely demoralize the presently serving employees, and would fail to attract the cream of talent to join also. A minimum and reasonable increment of 10% of Basic pay per year is to be provided in each scale of pay, defining also the number of years to be normally served in that scale on the expiry of which the employee will have to be, if not promoted to the next higher position, at least entitled to draw pay at the next higher scale. For example, for a Group ‘A’ officer the span of tenure to be served in the entry level should not be made more than Three years.
Is there a case for a Unified Civil Service, merging therein all Central (both technical and non-technical) and All India Services, allowing vertical and horizontal movement ? Or should there be two distinct
streams, one embracing all the technical services and the other for non-technical services?
Unification of Civil Service, merging therein all Central (both technical and non-technical) and All India Services will definitely be in the better interests of the nation and the officers. However it should be also considered that there are certain areas and offices, which needs technically competent persons. In any case vertical and horizontal movement among the services for persons having requisite skill or experience will only strengthen the Government machinery as a whole, and help to attain more expertise to, and boost the morale of the employees. This system should be implemented, and extended to include the posts under state Governments also and be encouraged.
Do you feel that the pattern of pay scales for all Group A Services should be redesignated so as to attract candidates of the requisite caliber? Keeping in view some of the compensation packages being offered to fresh professionals by the private sector, what emoluments would you suggest for an entrant to a Group-A Service in Government?
My suggestion is that the latest mean average of the salaries offered to the pass outs of all IIMs should taken as the parameter by the Honourable commission while fixing the salary of entrants to group ‘A’ service. Apart from that all Group ‘A’ officials should be made entitled for:
1. Reimbursement of cost of petrol (or any other fuel) at specified eligibility quantity, in lieu of payment of TA component in the salary. Even nationalized and public sector banks provide this to their officers (Most of the officers joining public sector banks are those who were not successful in the civil service exams). At the entry level the officer should be eligible for cost of 50 liters as applicable in the city of his posting.
2. Air travel eligibility in economy class on official and LTC tour. Even nationalized and public sector banks provide this to their officers At present an officer posted in south will have to spend six days in train to attend a one day conference in Delhi.
3. Rent free BSNL land and mobile phone and Internet connection. This is especially important as Group ‘A’ officers are supposed to be on duty round the clock.
4. Lap top computers.
5. Medical facilities. to include consultation in recognised private hospitals.
6. Entitlement to stay in good quality hotels on tour. The condition is pathetic at present. Hotels can be specially recognized in each place for this purpose on concessional / contractual rates, like recognisation of CGHS approved hospitals in each city.
7. At present like all other employees, Group ‘A’ officers also are entitled for LTC to hometown, with family, only once in two year block. Group ‘A’ officers are liable to be transferred to any place in India. Hence Group ‘A’ officers may be provided this facility once every year.
8. The government needs to purchase/lease housing for Group ‘A’ officers.
9. Other further incentives to match (to the minimum level at least) those provided by private sector. Some suggestions:
a) Entertainment allowance.
b) Facility to travel abroad to any one of the specified countries (as can be arranged as special packages each year in association with national air lines) or on any luxury train such as ‘Palace on Wheels’ in lieu of one ‘LTC to anywhere in India’ in the entire career subject to minimum specified years of service, and other conditions.
Is there any need to revise the pay scales periodically especially when 100% neutralization for inflation is available in form of dearness allowance?
Firstly 100% neutralization for inflation does not happen actually by way of dearness allowance. Secondly there are certain other components in the present salary structure like TA, CCA, to which DA is not applicable. Hence the present system of revising the scales once in ten years is not sufficient, nor justifiable. The scales should be revised once in every five years. Even nationalized and public sector banks follow this practice.
Is City Compensatory Allowance a sufficient compensation for the problems of a large city? If DA and HRA provide full neutralization, do you think CCA should continue? Is there a need for changing the basis of classification of cities and the rates of CCA? If so, please suggest the revised basis and rates.
CCA will have to be continued considering the higher cost of living in the cities. CCA at the highest rate today is Rs. 300/- only which provides an amount of less than Rs.10/- per day for a family in cities including Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore etc. where the cost of living is very high compared to other towns and villages. The present rate which was fixed more than a decade ago is very much meager by all standard. The rate of CCA for different cities will have to be increased at least six fold of what it is today.
There is definitely a need for changing the basis of classification of cities and the rates of CCA. City living cost is directly connected to factors including the general income of the residents, price of petroleum products in that city etc. A very good example is Bangalore, the Software capital of India, where very high salaries are paid to people in the software and related fields, which constitutes a large portion of the residents. Naturally the pay in other private sector areas also is on the higher side in that city. Apart from that, the price of petroleum products in the city is also among the highest in the country, resulting in a corresponding increase in the cost of living. But very recently only the Government increased CCA in that city to 300. Which also is not at all sufficient.
It is also not correct to say that DA and HRA provide full neutralization. Again if Bangalore is taken as an example, the HRA provided for is only 15%. In fact the average actual house rent in that city is much higher than the average actual house rent in some other cities where HRA of 30% is paid. (Needless to say that HRA even at the rate of 30% of the present pay scales are not enough for a decent accommodation). A direct recruited officer of civil service (Group ‘A’ Basic pay starting at 8000) posted in Bangalore will get an HRA of Rs. 1800/- per month (15% of basic pay + DP) only, with which it is not possible even to get a one room accommodation with the least minimum facilities.
What steps should be taken to ensure that scientists, doctors, engineers and other professionals with sophisticated education and skills are retained in their specialized fields in Government? Should they be appointed on contract with a higher status and initial pay, advance increments, better service conditions, etc.?
Scientists, Doctors, Engineers, Advocates, Chartered Accountants, Company Secretaries, and other specified professionals wherever such professional qualifications with or without previous experience are prerequisite for applying for the post should be paid a special allowance similar to what is paid now to Doctors as Non Practicing Allowance. Otherwise it will be difficult to retain or attract talented professionals to Government service. Apart from that a one-time increment can be given to persons having such professional qualification at the time of their joining or on their acquiring such qualification, wherever such qualifications are useful in their discharging their duties.
Should there be lateral movement from Government to non-Government jobs and vice versa? If so, in which sphere(s) and to what extent ?
Permission to shifting to private sector in India or abroad with a lien in the serving cadre will help to attract more talented people and also to reduce work force. Grant of long leave for the same purpose (as now provided by Govt. of Kerala to it’s employees) also is good scheme. However, strict conditions will have to be implemented to prevent misuse of this facility. Shifting from private sector is possible now also. The same should not be permitted on temporary basis as it could be misused to infiltrate the Government sector by private companies to protect their interests.
In the Group 'A' (Class 1) level, where the officials have to take important decisions, which directly affects the welfare of the general public, security, development, and financial growth of the nation, there is certainly a need to recruit the best available talent, as it has been all these days before and after independence. The civil service in India undoubtedly has been always very efficient even in spite of the government system as such being slow paced, due to the unnecessarily complicated procedure. The actual problem is with the system and procedure, and not with the competence of the officials. It can only be addressed by Administrative reforms. The recruitment by UPSC is known to be the toughest in the world, the training provided is the best and the efficiency of the officials, (especially in crisis management as been found on several occasions) superb. If the central civil service is to remain as efficient and as talented as it has always been, there is need to provide very good remuneration scheme and superb working condition. Even a 100% increase on cost to Government basis would not be at par with the private sector and would fail to attract the best talent. However considering all other aspects including the paying capacity of the Government and security of tenure etc. a 100% increase along with other facilities for Group ‘A’, officers can be justified as reasonable and appropriate.
ReplyDeleteHappened to read all comments. It is for the Babus to press their case for revision. Here is some points which can be considered by all, from the social welfare angle:
ReplyDelete1) The government very recently had issued directions to all CBSC schools including private schools not to collect Fee from girl students who are the only surviving child of their parents. The reason is that parents prefer boy child and those who have only one girl child usually go for a boy child also. The Government has to set an example by itself, by providing special incentives to their own employees having only one girl child and undergos family planning surgery.
2)There is need to encourage inter caste and inter religious marriages to strengthen national integration. Special incentives including special provisions in transfer policies, and preference for quarters etc. may be provided for such employees.
For the Attention of Manisha,
ReplyDeleteAll the above postings (except that concerning railways which is not to be directly addressed by the pay commission) seems well thought of and based on realities. Thanks for the initiative. Can you kindly bring the views posted on this blog to the attention of the commission?.
Another blog on this subject:
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The gross salry in the entry level of Group 'A' may be worked out on a cost to government basis at 6 Lakhs per annum. Otherwise average or below average candidates only will join.
ReplyDeleteAt the lower levels , 25 t0 30% increase on the present salary will be enough. There should be meticulous down sizing also at the lower levels.
The best of all proposals is to make the cost to Govt. basis pay to Group 'A' at par with the avergae compensation recieved by an IIM pass out. 31st Dec. 2006 can be considered as a cut off date for this purpose. It is just and reasonable.
ReplyDeleteThe SPC may offer an increase in pay and perks which should not affect the financial health of the nation. One of the most challenging tasks of the SPC is to formulate recommendations for an outward facing and customer-focused administration capable of responding to the global challenges. If India needs to change her status from a ‘flawed’ democracy to a ‘near perfect’ democracy, some new concepts need to be introduced. Following are a few -
ReplyDelete• Bridge the gap between the government and non-governmental sectors by creation of a senior civil services group through fair open competition among people in the age group 40-55 who can serve till 65. Retired armed forces personnel and persons working in the corporate sectors shall get ample opportunity to join the national mainstream. The senior civil servants can be appointed at decision-making levels as well as district administrators.
• Merge the All India Services with other group-A central services to eliminate feudalism and to cease the ongoing clash and conflict among various service groups.
• Introduce the 360-degree reporting system to generate a sense of fellow feeling and togetherness among various classes of civil servants.
• Curtail the tenure by raising the minimum age limit (for appointment to posts other than senior civil services) to 30 years with the usual retirement at 60. This will attract experienced and matured talents to civil services and give employment opportunity to more people.
• The minimum qualification for all categories of employees holding group C, B or A civilian posts should be a graduation. They can be selected through a single competitive exam namely the combined civil services exam, appointed on merit vis-à-vis preference.
• Skill of writing well in the exams at a younger age and climbing to the topmost position in the hierarchy should be delinked.
• Bring all grades of civil and defence employees in one bracket by introducing a single running pay scale. A prototype of the pay scale: “b – (increment @ b/20 for 9 years) – 1.5 b (increment @1.5b/20 for 9 years) – 2.25b (increment @2.25b/20 for 9 years) – 3.375b (increment @3.375b/20 for 9 years) – 5.0625b (increment @5.0625b/20 for 9 years) – 7.59375b (fixed)”. Basic Index Pay ‘b’ is to be determined by the Pay Commission.
. Automatic revision of pay scales is also possible through periodic fixation of Basic Index Pay. There is no need to set up a pay commission every time.
• The ratio of the highest pay and the lowest pay must not exceed 8:1. If not the employees at least the members of their families need to be treated equally.
• Every employee, civil or defence may be given the opportunity to jump to the next higher class after a maximum period of 10 years of service. This will address the problem of creating promotional avenues to every employee. The Assured Career Progression scheme that ensures financial upgradation after 12 years of service can be merged with the single running pay scale.
• The pay of a Secretary to the Government of India should be a fixed sum, less than the salary of a Union Deputy Minister. Ministers enjoy people’s mandate but bureaucrats don’t.
• Vertical and horizontal movements should be allowed at all levels to maintain the federalist character of India.
• Withdraw all sorts of special grants, allowances, and other invisibles currently given only to a particular group of employees. Initial pay of armed forces personnel may be fixed at one point higher than their civilian counterparts to compensate their difficult nature of job away from home.
• Reserve the term ‘Executive’ for the people’s representatives and persons holding constitutional posts. Let the bureaucrats realize that they are ‘servants’ and not ‘masters’ of the society.
• All departmental exams should be abolished to give a fair treatment to the senior and to attract talents both from inside and outside.
• Stop reservation in promotion at all levels.
• Pay scale and one’s position/promotion should be delinked. Unity of command and control will exist though one’s position in the hierarchy and not through pay scales.
• Impart compulsory professional training at the entry level to all groups of employees.
• Withdraw secretarial assistance staff from officers below the rank of Directors. Make the entire bureaucracy computer savvy who can take care of their own affairs.
• Within a period of five years reduce cadre strengths by 10% at all levels in the ministries/departments (excluding armed forces) where non-plan expenditure exceeds revenue generated. The surplus manpower may be diverted to the productive departments like revenue, taxation, posts, railways etc.
• Build apartments in the proximity of the offices to ensure that accommodation is provided to every employee.
• Scatter central government offices to other parts of India.
• Curb spending on publicity and office expenses.
• Head towards a paperless office.
" AS YOU SOW , SO SHALL YOU REAP"
ReplyDeleteIf the government of India feels that they can pay peanuts and get physically strong, mentally robust , ethically straight and morally upright soldiers, i think they need a miracle. If this pay commision does not do something about the pay scales of the forces in a drastic manner.. the government is going to lose the chance to hold together the rapidly eroding ethos , sensibility not to mention their vote banks..
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ReplyDeleteI am G Gururaja, Scientist in CSIR Lab.
The total salary drawn on the implementation of the 6th pay commission day will not be more than Rs 500 compared to the last pay drawn in the 5th pay commission. The Basic has to be fixed at 2.5 times that of the 5th pay commission basic to get this jump of Rs 500 in our salary.That means if the basic pay is Rs 10,000 in the 5th pay, then it should be fixed at Rs 25,000 minimum. Remember there will be no DA, AND no DP on the day of implementation of the 6th pay salary. I expect the CCA max at Rs 600, Transport charges max at Rs 1600.
If you see all the corporates ,they donate heavily when war is on (Kargil....op parakram....71...and so on) ..because their ass is on fire at that time...they want to protect their factories and all the wealth they made by fooling people.....when it comes to paying for the sixth pay commisison ....they make a hue and cry about the taxes etc....then they crib about Corruption...what is this .Let us make it very clear.Time is not far away when the best of talent in the counrty came for govt jobs ....why not then pay them handsomely....Ask how many corporate chiefs and biggies would like to send their brats to army or airforce ..when rajas of yesterdays sent trheir children to the forces ..why cannot politicians and corporate chiefs send their children to sacrifice for this country ..Let Rahul Gandhi join the Army for one month and see....
ReplyDeleteA 100 % increase would be just and reasonable to retain talent and attract talent; increase retirement age as all keeep good health; ban any sort of assignment i.e. consultancy after retirement;
ReplyDeleteA Class-I Section Officer in the pay scale of 6500 earns a salary of 17000/- in total (from which he has to arrange for tax savings and gpf fund contribution also). And SPC must know that what are the housing prices in Delhi. Forget of luxury flats, even a normal two bedroom flat is above Rs.20,00,000 (forget of Delhi, it's the rate of NCR). You assume how pathetic is the situation that he can't even afford to take a homeloan. What the hell this Government is doing. Think about it.
ReplyDeleteIn view of the above, I suggest that a lowest Class-I Officer salary should be such that he can even afford a three bedroom flat (at least on loan) in NCR (if not in Delhi) which cost about Rs.30,00,000. Thus, his pay must be Rs.30,000 (so that he could takes a 25 year loan for 30,00,000 and pay monthly installment of Rs.30,000) plus his living expenses (i.e. Rs.10,000 at least). This means the lowest class-I officer should be paid at least 40,000 in total at present. Thus, a 150% increase is reasonable so that he could lead a decent life. And rather cutting the staff, the Government think about cutting the population growth. So, alarming is the situation of population in India that Indian Government must make it mandatory for all tv channels to broadcast a 1 minute population control ad on all channel every half and hour. And mind it, by cutting staff and by paying meagre salaries to their staff they are not going make the rest of the Indians wealthy.
ReplyDeleteAT LEAST 200%
ReplyDeleteIs it possible to find a Government Employee who is not taking any handloans, Loans from the Finalcial Institutions, etc., for looking after their families. Hence, the Government must increase the salaries to the tune of taking into consideration the present day needs/requirements of the families of the Government Servants - especially in the case of Group-C & D employees. Otherwise there is no meaning in setting up the 6th Pay Commission. In the 5th Pay Commission, the Govt implemented the recommendations, hence each employee got the benefit to the tune of 4 days salary only but the Government reduced the Casual Leave to be availed by the employees from 12 days to 8 days. So hardly, no Govt employee benefitted. In such a way, the Govt reduced their burden indirectly. The Govt is now saying that it is very difficult to manage the burden of the Pay Commissions.
ReplyDeleteMany hidden perquisites do exist for the Group-A officers whereas other groups of employees are really facing hardship due to meager salary and limited career progression. Hence, SPC should give more importance to the pay scales of Group-B, C & D employees. The eligibility criterion of length of service for assured career progression (ACP)scheme should be brought down from 12 years to 8 years. Also there should not be any restrictions in the number of financial upgradations to the ACP beneficiaries.
ReplyDeleteThere should be at least 200% increase in the salaries of Group-A & B employees who are just 6.65%* of the total Central Govt. employees strenght. And there should be at least 100% increase for Group-C&D who are 93.35%* of the total central govt. strength. ( *Source: The Central Government Employees Census 2001 available at http://www.dget.gov.in/publications/ccge/welcome.html )
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As per the Cen. Govt. emp. census 2001 about 40% of the total strenght is in Railways and 15% in Defence. Thus only railways and defence constitute the 55% of the total number of cen. govt. employees. Isn't it amazing.
ReplyDeleteAs per the CG empl. Census 2001, just 27.87% of total strength are in the pay scale of 5500 and above. A employee at present in 5500 scale is gets Rs.14000/- in total. This means about 70+ employees are getting even less than Rs.15000/-. Isn't it amazing.
ReplyDelete(Ref: page 8 of the CGE Census 2001 available at
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The above analysis of census shows how pathetic situation is of govt. employees. And then u expect them to be honest. Once our Veteran leader Late sh. Rajeev Gandhi quoted that just 1% of the actual amount spent reaches the poor. Why?? The only reason is meagrely paid employees make money by other means. Thus paying peanuts just makes them corrupt.
ReplyDeletei think the transport allowence given to the pracile & sevire hanpicap employ working in central goverment is same, even if the person is person orthopadic , visaul , deaf are same. as a sevire orthopadic hanicap pen is having problem in movement they are moving with help of special kind of vechiles car / taxi/ autoriksha/ escote who cantnot move with normal transport { from home/ residence to office , viac-versa } so the sevier orthopadic hanicap { who are more than 70%}should get more transoprt allowence from pracile handicap . the rate of ratio of transport / pertole should be changed time to time as rate in market are changing
ReplyDeleteThe gross salary of Group-A & B officers should increase by a maximum of 6.65% of their present gross salary as they constitute 6.65% of the total central govt. employees strength. On the other hand the grass salary of Group C & D employees should be increased by 93.35% of their present gross salary, reason being similar. Actual work is being done by the Group C & D employees where as other groups of employees are only white elephants.
ReplyDeleteAn increase in the pay scale of lower rung officials will mean attracting better talents to bureaucracy.
Serious thought should go into pay scLE FOR THE ARMED FORCES a rise of 3.5 times the last pay drawn is the need of the day to make defence once again the No 1 choice in govt jobs, taking into account the harsh service conditions of defence forces and rising stress levels our soldiers need to be compensated adequately.
ReplyDeleteThe increase in pay shall be at par with the multinational sector so that govenment officials can resist the temptations of switching their jobs from government to other better private sector.It shall increase the efficiency of government as well as keeping the skilled experience employee in govenment.Nowadays, good private sector offering minimum Rs 1 Lakhs per month for quite experienced IT /Construction/Infrastructure/Research professionals
ReplyDelete"CLASS 1 AND 2 OFFICIALS SELECTED THROUGH UPSC" WILL BE REWARDED WITH APPROPIRATE PAY SCALE AT PAR WITH THEIR COLLEAGUES IN PRIVATE SECTOR TO AVOID JUMP TO PRIVATE SECTOR AND CORRUPTION.
ReplyDelete"ENGINEERS AND TOWN PLANNERS IN MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT " WERE WORSTELY AFFECTED BY THE 5 TH PAY COMMISSION...SO . IT IS TIME FOR 6 TH PAY COMMISSION TO COMPENSATE BY ADRESSING THEIR GENUINE DEMANDS TO ESTABLISH THEIR PROFFESIONAL STANDARD.
ReplyDeleteTHE SIXTH PAY COMMISSION SHOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER BANNING THE PROFESSIONALS FROM TAKING CIVIL SERVICES EXAMS. THE PROFESSIONALS ARE LESS COMPETENT TO WORK AS GENERALISTS AND GOVERNMENT CANNOT FULFIL THEIR INSATIABLE APPETITE. GOVERNMENT IS NOT A PROFIT ORIENTED ORGANISATION. THE PROFESSIONAL CAN DELIVER THEIR BEST IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND EARN MORE.
ReplyDeletemost of the work is being done by the clerical level and they are being ignoring in every pay commission, if better pay scale is given in the clerical you can get the more output, hence 100% increase is reasonable for clerical level
ReplyDeleteI WANT 200% INCREASE IN PAY.
ReplyDeletejust tell me that is there any job,industry,company...etc etc which expects you to lay down your life any moment? I suppose it's the duty and pride of a soldier.i hope any sane person would agree with me.it is only in time of crisis that people look towards ARMY, but is there anybody has a 1% idea what ARMY personel undergo being on duty in valley,north-east,peace keeping forces? does anybody has an idea what families of MEN IN UNIFORM undergo while men are in field? i think nobody! people don't even know where is the valley.there is no gaurantee of life the moment a pers comes out the train in jammu! i just wanted to put a question to all who are reading this article....CAN ANYBODY SPEND A DAY IN VALLEY WHERE YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT ANY TIME YOUR LIFE IS GOING TO END? i would bet on this NOBODY WOULD ? then i suppose the only truth that everybody would agree to is that" MY LIFE IS THE MOST PRECIOUS TO ME"
ReplyDeletei would again ask WHAT IS PRICE OF YOUR LIFE?WOULD YOU AGREE TO LAY YOUR LIFE FOR PEANUTS? i know people/politians would then question our PATRIOTISM? is it so ? then why don't you go and spend a week in such situations? why don't you send your kids and dear ones to join forces? you name a politian who's any distant relative is in DEFENCE FORCES?
NOW I WOULD ASK WHY NOT PAY ARMY THE PAYS/PERKS THAT THEY COULD FEEL THAT EVEN THEY ARE THOUGHT OF IN THIS COUNTRY?
WHY NOT MAKE ARMY A LUCRATIVE JOB SO THAT WE MAKE UP ARE STRENGTH?
WHY SHOULD NOT ARMY BE ONE OF THE HIGHEST PAID JOB IN THE COUNTRY?
I think govt. should give us petrol instead of money in terms of allowances coz with time as the price may shoot up to Rs 100 per liter, govt will end up paying you just half of it and would be avery happy in doing so.
ReplyDeletegovt should also see the state of accomodation been provided in cities which come under big commands who never gives an eye to it. the state of accomodation provided is well 20-25 yrs old as compared to what is available today in the market. Govt and itz people have failed to bring this point to notice of public that the houses provided by them are pathetic in condition and ergonomics.Thanks to MES which sets it own out of world standards. I think govt should be able to accomodate atleast those officers it has commissioned and should think not only in terms of manpower but also itz welfare which is neglected and no where in the list of priorty.
ReplyDeleteWith a view to ensure good governance of the central govt. offices which is the backbone of the country's administrative machinery, I expect 100% increase in pay of an employee.
ReplyDeleteAijaz Hussain
Jammu & Kashmir
Govt. should consider the salaries of IT professionals in MNCs.An MNC person draws a salary of 50+ and perks where as an employee in the govt 12+.Even the BSNL employees are paid more and now they are crying for revision.
ReplyDeleteAs a middle aged Middle level Govt Officer in a revenue department I am more worried for my future pension benefits, The 6th CPC must consider and ponder over the plight of Share market shy people like me before changing the pension option available now. laptop, mobile , decent travel allowance, Leave travel assistance, change in medical benefits....everything I can forget if my post retirement future is assured.
ReplyDeletewhy on earth the media is after the poor old Govt servant? Those chaps in the media gets 90% of their earnings as bogus reimbursements, dont pay taxes, their employers pay FBT on their behalf. They dont see the money looted by the private sector in shady govt deals. The only aspect they highlight is the drain of public exchequer if poor us get a little benefit from our employer.They propaganda that we are inefficient, slow, antiwork cultured bullying and money minting lot is not at all correct. But it seems even the Govt itself has started believing them. The terms of reference of the6th CPC includes evaluation of the capacity of the Govt to pay!!! It includes study on the money value of non-monetory benefits that we get!!! What are they for? Will thay ever compare it with the compensation package or the CtoC OF EMPLOYEES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR in similar responsibility strata? I feel hopeless about the outcome of the final reco of the 6thCPC.
ReplyDeletewhy on earth the media is after the poor old Govt servant? Those chaps in the media gets 90% of their earnings as bogus reimbursements, dont pay taxes, their employers pay FBT on their behalf. They dont see the money looted by the private sector in shady govt deals. The only aspect they highlight is the drain of public exchequer if poor us get a little benefit from our employer.They propaganda that we are inefficient, slow, antiwork cultured bullying and money minting lot is not at all correct. But it seems even the Govt itself has started believing them. The terms of reference of the6th CPC includes evaluation of the capacity of the Govt to pay!!! It includes study on the money value of non-monetory benefits that we get!!! What are they for? Will thay ever compare it with the compensation package or the CtoC OF EMPLOYEES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR in similar responsibility strata? I feel hopeless about the outcome of the final reco of the 6thCPC.
ReplyDeleteNEW PAY SCALES AFTER THE REVISION OF 6TH PAY COMMISSION
ReplyDeleteSl. No. Present pay Scale New Pay Scale
1 2550-3200 8000-300-11000-500-16000
2 2610-4000
3 2650-4000
4 2750-4400
5 3050-4590 10000-500-15000-700-22000
6 3200-4900
7 4000-6000 13000-700-20000-900-29000
8 4500-7000 15000-900-24000-1200-36000
9 5000-8000 17000-1200-29000-1500-44000
10 5500-9000
11 6500-6900 20000-1500-35000-1700-52000
12 6500-10500
13 7450-11500
14 7500-12000 22000-1700-39000-1900-58000
15 8000-13500
16 9000 FIXED 25000-1900-44000-2000-64000
17 9000-9550
18 10325-10975 27000-2200-49000-2400-73000
19 10000-15200
20 10650-15850
21 12000-16500 30000-2400-54000-2600-80000
22 12750-16500
23 12000-18000
24 14300-18300 33000-2600-59000-2900-88000
25 15100-18300 35000-2900-64000-3100-95000
26 16400-20000 37000-3100-68000-3300-101000
27 16400-20900 40000-3300-43300
28 14300-22400 45000-3500-80000
29 18400-22400 50000-4000-90000
30 22400-24500 55000-4500-100000
31 22400-26000
32 24050-26000 60000-5000-110000
33 26000 FIXED 110000 FIXED
34 30000 FIXED 125000 FIXED
HRA/CCA (CITY-WISE)
A/A1 B1/B-2 C UNC
45%8000 (Minimum) 30%5000 (Minimum) 15%3000 (Minimum) 10%2000 (Minimum)
CCA
A-1 A B1 B2/C
1000 800 600 400
TA
Basic : 8000 To 19999 - Rs. 300
20000 To 26999 - Rs. 600
From 27000 - Rs. 800
N.B: 1. New Pay with effect from 01.01.2008
2. One notional increment for every three years of completed service,
maximum three increment eligible.
MODEL PAY FIXATION:
Old Pay scale:-
5500-9000
Basic As on 01.01.2008
Basic - Rs.8300 DP - RS.4150 DA 45% (Expected) - 6225 Total – Rs. 18053/-
Basic in New Pay Scale:-
17000-44000 As on 01.01.2008
Rs.21800/-
Old Pay scale:-
4500-7000
Basic As on 01.01.2008
Basic - Rs.5000 DP - Rs.2500 DA 45% (Expected) - 3750 Total – Rs. 10875/-
Basic in New Pay Scale:-
15000-36000 As on 01.01.2008
Rs.15900/-
IF GOVT PAYS PEANUTS, IT CAN ATTRACT ONLY MONKEYS.
ReplyDeleteTHE GOVERNMENT SHOULD INCREASE THE SALARIES ATLEAST 200%
ReplyDeleteSomebody has posted a comment against the fourth pillar of democracy!! Ha Ha Ha - You poor govt servants, you are living on this earth because of us..... We have been giving you full protection; otherwise the State would have privatised the entire bureaucracy.
ReplyDeletein 6th pay commision for group A (present pay scale 8000 -275-13500) should be increased to (35000-1000-50000).
ReplyDeleteGoverment should restart graduaty to the employees being coverred under NEW PENSION SCHEME . Because it has no connection with the pension .
ReplyDeleteGovt employees are picked from the best talent available thru National competitive exams, however their living conditions have worsened over the years due to the opening up of the salary limits for private sectors. As prices for every thing has increased manyfold, even a class A officer in govt finds it very difficult to have a decent life.
ReplyDeleteThe pay commission should bring about parity in pay, (similar pay for similar job irrespective of the employer - public or private).
I am not sure of how much increase in salaries of government employees is SPC going to recommend, but I am dead sure that pay commission and the Finance Minister are definitely going to make working conditions for Government employees just equivalent to slaves or bonded labourers.
ReplyDeleteAs the number of employees in all departments have been reduced to 60 percent since last 8 years, it is the right time to improve the salaries of all the officers and staff. Govt should not waste time and money in creating accountability factors for the use of telephone, car etc, instead it should fix responsibilty for better performance (BASED ON COST - BENEFIT analysis of the activities performed by the dept). it will give better governance. The present DA, TA and other perks are negligible when compared to the actual cost. therefor govt, should fix standards and pay the actuals of room rent etc.
ReplyDeleteIt is ideal that the salaries of GOI babus should be incresed by at least 4 fold to meet the present day cost of living.
The pay of the government servants may be hiked at least 200% in the 6th Pay Commission. The medical facility and TA, LTC may also be made more linient so that any govt. employees those who are aligible for travelling in AC (3 tier) may also can travel in Air also due to the competitive price of today. The most important thing is the medical facility and promotional prospects.
ReplyDeleteIn government sector, why always importance is given to Group-A only. Group-C should also be given due importance.
ReplyDeleteThere are so many people in Group-B & C who are talented and efficient, but paid poor when compared to Group-A people.
A hike of minimum 4 fold in Group-B&C will help in retaining the talented and efficient, else, the government will be only having moderate performing staff.
Likewise, performance & efficiency based increment will help everyone. For example, if a junior is performing well and getting good increments, the senior who is under-performing will be automatically compelled to improve his performance to retain the seniority.
Moreover, coming to the tax point of view, government employee has to option but to pay the tax (deducted from source). But corporate have lot of loopholes to evade from taxes.
To overcome this disparity, minimum 4 to 5 fold increase will do some justice to the government employees.
If the sixth pay commission gives anything less than this, then we have to pity the POOR GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Healthy discussion
ReplyDeleteHealthy discussion
ReplyDeletePay should be best to attract best brains and deter employees to go in for corruption.
ReplyDeleteI always hear from media that every time whenever there are talks of increse in salary of govt employees,their hues and cry increased like anything.Why they only see the single side of story.Govt paying the peanunts to employees and wants much more from them.Besides salary first of work environment has to be atleast good(not best).Only then then something will movce,otherwise whole govt system will fail like anything and corruption errupts.
ReplyDeleteWhile Govt recruits new employees they see for the best,but after that what happened that has to be regulated.I expect that atleast pay should be double.
scientist CSIR
The tuition fee reimbursement given to government employees is Rs. 50/- per month for Classes 9th and 10th and Rs. 40/- per month from 1st class to 8th class. It is better not to abolish this tuition fee reimbursement than to give such a small amount. Even government schools charge more fee per month.
ReplyDeleteThe plight of stenographers of Postal Accounts Offices all over India is heartrendering. There is no properly defined channels of promotion/career growth for the stenographer's cadre. The Jr. Accountants (may be read as Upper Division clerks)erstwhile in the pay scale of 4000-6000 got upgraded to 4500-7000 after declaring Postal Accounts Offices as at par with Secretariat scale of pay. This was made only for the cadres of Jr. Accountants and Senior Accountants leaving the stenographers (entry in the scale of 4000-6000)and few other cadres in the dark. Perhaps this was on the judgement that stenographers do not fall under the Accounts fraternity in the PAOs. But it is extremely strange that stenographers used to work with the highest level officers in their respective circles. The highest level officers nature of work are wholly related to accounts, compiliation, analysis and what not. The stenographers are now even needs to work in MS excel as to fit themselves with the modern trends of technology. It is often seen that they do a lot of accounts related work/documentation and taking dictations of the officers in the language of accounts which is the heart and soul of Postal Accounts Office. But they are totally deprived of any benefits which are available to JAs and SAs. It is a pathetic condition and needs attention of the appropriate authorities so that justice is meted out to the cadre of stenographers. It is also to be mentioned that in the cadre of stenographers only what is aspiring is the ACP after 12 and 24 years nothing else. Prior to introduction of ACP it was seen that a stenographer worked in his respective circle without promotion for as long 30 years. Why didn't anybody see to it? The plight is heartrendering. Will anybody lend ears to the stenographers working in Postal Accounts Offices? Please Please........
ReplyDeleteDuring the last 25 years, the staff strength were more whereas the work load was less. Due to ban in recruitment, the staff have been reduced as most of the officials are retired or expired but vacency have not been filled up. At present the work load has been increased considerably which are attended by available staff. The Pay of each officials need to be increased based on the MNC's pay option and increase should have been given after assessing the quality and performance based after every six months. The hike should not be less then one thousand. Now at present the management/professional graduate do not want to join Govt. sector because of low pay scales. Such mechanism should have been adopted so that the salary of Babus could have been at par with the mnc's so that govt. could also get the intellegent professionals.
ReplyDeleteThe pay scale of CCSS cadre and ex cadre post should have been the same as the nature and duty of both the officials are same. Such anomoly need to be removed. The formula should have been adopted equal work equal pay
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeletealso this is not regarding a central govt employee, the state govt emplyees who get the same scales also need to be noted down.
I read all the comments, and there is nothing mentioned about the staff members of the colleges. The development of india into a IT super power is mainly due to its education background.
Although the teachers in a college are paid well , the support staff or you can call them non-taeching staff are paid pittiance.
for e.g.
and entry level teachers basic starts at 8000 Rs. and it goes up to 15200 as per his/her qualifications and experience.
on an average an lecturer ( Degree ) with 5 or six years experience earns around 32000 per month.
but take a look at the support staff.
The staff are classified as
Jr clerk & typist
sr clerk
head clerk
superintendent
registrar
although the situation has changed, and every thing is computerised, the jr clerks are more qualified and educated and they just dont type
some of their responsibilities incldue
operating the ERP softwares
using excel to a large extend
preparing payroll
income tax calculation
dealing with students during admission, merit list application, merit list , attending telephone calls , enquiries, various proforma's , budgets and other statements required by the director of education and other governing bodies ( !!!!! Really speaking a college has to submit so may proforma's and statments it hardly gets time to do other activities )
the profile may go on,
and the worst part is, not a single person is provided any increment or promotion on the basis of his qualifications.
for eg. a person who has completed just HSC and just does typign work, and the person who has M.com and does the payroll & taxation gets the same salary.
add to this the IT knowledge a person needs to handle records of 8000 students and 400 staff members.
but the govt pay's them very low.
a jr clerk irrespective of his qualification starts with a basic of 3000 and his gross starting salary comes around 6000 Rs. per month.
he gets an increment of 75 Rs. yes just 75 Rs. per year.
a person with a service of 12 years gets a gross salary of around 10000.
12 years experience in accounts, he may get around 60000 in a pvt. concern.
ther is lack of classification of jobs and ther is no value for the efforts put in by an employee.
how can you get qualified and talented people into the sector.
for eg. i have six yrs of exp in payroll, have completed my M.com & M.Phil, handle the income tax queries at the office but i am still with the designation typist and i get around 8000 rs. pm as my salary , i am planning for a change and have attened a few interview and they are reay to pay around 30000 for a right candidate.
look at the difference.
its a simply bluff that officers in armed forces are disparetly awaiting for pay commission and will apply for discharge. in todays date how many officers have applied for discharge? compared to that in air force itself 29000 application for discharge pending. this is self explainatory about disperation. starting from fifth pay commission officers have increased their pay in many folds compared to men. even they got one initial rank abolished. in 2004-05 they have got their promotion rate just doubled it is benifitted more than pay commission all thease points must be taken into consideration because as a men in uniform i will only compare how much times my officer is getting hike with me.
ReplyDelete1.On tour to cities like Metros govt officials get Rs 500 as DA including hotel. Transport between his hotel to the office has to be borne from his own money.
ReplyDelete2.Senior officers are paid Rs 120 pm as newspaper expenses for which they have to produce bills and fill up a 2 page form eveytime they submit the bills for reimbeursement. Waste of time,enery and paper work for both the official as well as that of the office.
3. Similar for phone bill reiembursement. Huge amount of paper work.
4. Ridiculously low amounts of City Compenasatory allownace which is also taxable.
5. HRAs are also ridiculosly low.
6. In metros after travelling for hours together in public transport after spending the night in outdated govt quarters who is in the right mood to serve the nation.
7. In many offices special orders are issued to get the approval of the highest authority for air travel even for high ranked officers who are eligible for air travel. These orders have not changed even after air fares in many area have gone below train fares.
Some more points to ponder....
ReplyDelete- Local travel Allowance restriction for on full month : 150 Rs. ( must be atleast 20 year old restriction)
- School Tution fee reimbursement : Rs 40 per month
( The actuals are about 1000 for a decent school)
- Daily allowance on tour 120 Rs/Day. Will not even suffice to get you two meals of the day.
I agree that central government employees are paid very less. If the government wants good people to join (and work honestly and non-corruptly) it needs to either heavily revise its pay scales or adopt a policy of privatization wherever feasible e.g. health sector. Another very important factor in my opinion is that the government should also consider dearness allowance according to the city in which the employee resides and works. I am horrified when I think about the fact that monthly salaries of higher class employees in cities such as Mumbai are approximately equal to 2 square feet of carpet area of residential flats in decent areas. THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD WAKE UP!!!
ReplyDeleteRespected sir, as the matter related to creat the post as Sytem administrator in the department of Posts. 1]There is any proposal for creating a post of SA in DOP?? 2] If yes, what basics & benifit are given to this post???
ReplyDeleteDinesh Hire
hiresir2001@yahoo.co.in
According to a recent release(for internal circulation) from CAG's office, sixth pay commission is in process of finalising the new pay scales. Expected increase in pay scales are little more than 3 times the present pay scales. For instance,the present scale of 8000-275-13500 will now be 27500-1500-57500.However, it is yet to be confirmed by the sixth pay commission.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, its a very heartening news for Govt employees.However there is nothing surprising about it, given the record of the previous pay commissions.(Previous pay commissions also increased salaries by approx 3 times the existing ones)
Mohan
In 1984, the Government of India (GOI) introduced concessions like “Special Duty Allowance” (SDA) and some other benefits with the purpose of attracting the services of competent Central Government Officers to serve in the North East (NE) States. The State Governments in the NE within a very short time of the introduction of the concessions by the GOI also extended this benefit to the All India Service Officers (IAS, IPS and IFS) in their States. Currently, all Central Government Officers posted in the NE with an all India transfer liability and IAS, IPS and IFS in the NE States enjoy these concessions. It is observed that during the course of the last two decades these concessions far from being a solution to the problem, have become part of the problem in the following ways:
ReplyDelete• The concessions perpetuate the myth that the North East is still an exotic land where one can possibly shoot tigers in one’s backyard. On the one hand the GOI talks about breaking the isolation of the NE States and bringing them into the mainstream; on the other hand it is precisely through these concessions that the GOI is sending out signals to the rest of the country that the NE is a “difficult” place and therefore, one needs to persuade government officials with a “missionary” attitude to accept a postings in the region through the grant of some special incentives. Even 50 years after independence there is the false impression that the NE is yet to be properly assimilated with the rest of the country – isn’t the GOI with these ill conceived policies probably thought up by self-serving officials not to blame for this impression still persisting in the first place?
• The NE concessions have resulted in “suitcase” officers clamoring for postings to the Region. Obviously, the thought of sincerely serving in the region is the last thing on the minds of these officers. They, in fact, aggressively lobby for a posting to the NE after they have completed their tenure at another place as the officer is then entitled to retain his house/telephone at his last place of posting. These officers simply serve out their time in the NE, their entire preoccupation while they are in the NE being on planning the next official trip to Delhi (which in the case of many officers, is their last place of posting). This situation is true of practically every Central Government office in the NE and members of the AIS cadres.
• Initially, the concessions were for Central Government officials only. However as mentioned earlier, in no time at all the cash strapped State Governments in the NE have extended it to the AIS officers of their States. The conditions of service of AIS officers are very different from that of Central Government officers. The former are on initial appointment allocated to a State (Cadre). Thus the AIS officer allocated one of the NE States as his cadre has no option in the matter but to serve in that State. This is not the case with Central Government officers who have choices/options of serving in other places in India other than the NE. While there may therefore, have been some justification in introducing the concessions for Central Government officers, where is the justification of AIS officers of the NE cadres enjoying the concessions? If the AIS officer has qualms about serving in the NE, he/she should either resign or opt for one of the Group ‘A’ services instead. The payment of SDA to AIS officials has also led to a farcical situation. For instance, a Naga IAS officer working in Nagaland (and who to boot, does not pay Income Tax) gets SDA. This tantamounts to rewarding him for a lifetime for the “pain” of serving in his own home State!
• The NE concessions have also led to another piquant situation. There are enough officers from the NE in the Central Government establishments who are only too willing to serve in the NE even without the concessions. However, it is increasingly being noticed that these officers ( particularly junior officers) do not stand any chance of being posted in the NE as it is the well connected and influential officers belonging to other regions of the country who wangle a NE posting with the sole intention of availing the benefits of a NE posting.
• In NE Central Government offices, the payment of SDA only to Group ‘A’ officers has caused heartburn among the other categories of employees. In recent times, the recruitments done through the Staff Selection Commissions (SSC) are no more on a regional basis. For instance, a Clerk recruited by the SSC (Southern Region) could be appointed to a Central Government office in Meghalaya. Presently, this Clerk is not eligible to be paid SDA. This tantamounts to double standards because for instance, a directly recruited IAS officer belonging to Meghalaya who is also allotted Meghalaya State as his home cadre is allowed to draw SDA on the plea that he is being posted to the NE from outside the NE Region (by virtue of his having gone for his training outside the NE!). The officer will continue to enjoy this benefit for his entire career.
2. Thus, the NE concessions far from being a solution to the problem have become part of the problem itself and hence should be discontinued. This will ensure that officers genuinely interested in the NE come to serve in this region. A recent news article reported that the GOI was in fact thinking of providing further concessions for officials posted to the NE – as a person belonging to this region, I believe this is absolutely a misguided course of action which has already done more harm than good.
3. As far as the SDA is concerned, perhaps the Pay Commission should think of replacing this with a “Dislocation Allowance” instead. The degree of hardship to a Tamilian officer (and his family) on being posted to the NE is no different than of a North East Officer being posted to Tamilnadu. It is therefore suggested that a “Dislocation Allowance” be introduced for all Central Government employees. This allowance will be calculated on the basis of the distance of employees place of posting from his declared hone town. This type of an allowance will also do away with the discrimination in the payment of SDA amongst different grades of employees which is the case at present. Central Government Employees then will not mind being posted to any place in India (which is not the case at present as every body wants to be accommodated in his/her “hometown”) as the person will be compensated for the hardship he is placed in by being posted away from his home state/town. This will also ensure more movement of officials across different regions of the country thereby promoting the concept of a one-nation.
4. I hope my suggestion will be considered by the Hon’ble Commission.
The incresae in the basic pay must be at least 4 times of prsent basic excluding the DP. The other allowances must also have increase as per the prvailing condition
ReplyDeleteIt is very unfortunate that technical employees who do not have feeder post remains stagnated in the same post even after 25 years of experience.For instance if you take a technical staff who is assisting research oriented projects in the engineering colleges,remains in the same post till his retirement.The university says they can join higher post whenever the vacancy arises in any other departmets by direct recruitment by attending the interview.It is to be noted that the ratio of availbility of the technical posts in the junior grade to senior grade is around 25:1,then how all technical staffs will find a chance for the higher post.It is also seriously to be looked into that is, a technical staff gained experience in a particular department has to apply for the higher post in the other departments.The experience gained in a particular department will not help in attending the interview for other departments.Also, even if selected for some other higher post,the experience gained in a particular department is not utilised by the university.This is really a disadvantage of the research activities in the university.The university is unable to solve this problem,because there is no feeder post existing in the particular department.So the pay commission should see that the technical staffs should be promoted at every stage of seven years or so irrespective of whether the feeder post is avilable or not.People at top level who really thinks the reserch work should be done with dedication which inturn gives good output,should consider for the feeder post to be given to the all technical staffs ,so that there will not be any stagnation in their carrier.This will bring them to work with dedication and this will be indeed boost the resech activities.
ReplyDeleteThe increase should be at least 50% over the present gross salary.
ReplyDeleteMeritorious performance should be rewarded.
A strict cut should be done in the number of employees with a reasonable handshake for those who want to leave. Unnecessary jobs should be done away with and job designing must be done to compensate for loss in numbers.
Aim should be to create a lean, efficient and well paid bureaucracy and most of the jobs relating to public service delivery may be outsourced.
keep on building castles in the air ( hawai kile). govt. will give u just peanuts insufficient even for monkeys. keep on posting hawai comments which may be chewed by SPC instesd of CENTERfresh.
ReplyDeleteCongress is not going to give anything they are not intrested in the logical and correct thing. Congress is having the history to encourage the corruption and they creat panic, difficult situation for common man. Example is present ITR forms introduced and how he avoids to look into the unjustified DA rates on official tours like 500/- for hotel+fooding+travel(local)+miscllaneous. it is rediculous. Sonia,Rahul, Manmohan singh are all not seeing this?
ReplyDeleteThey are nonsence......
I do not expect any substantial increase. According to the latest gossip, an official may get approx. Rs 1500/- increase pm at the most in gross salary. that too wef 1.1.07. A main attraction of pay commission i.e. arrears will be reduced by twelve months. out of arrears, 20-30 % will go towards income tax. effective increase will be only Rs. 1000/- only equivalent to the expenditure of one film show for a family of four in Multiplex. So happy viewing to all of the MONKEYS in govt. service.
ReplyDeleteI think the hike must be 300% or more because everyone knows what is the cost of spending life in present scenario. I am working in a PSU and I know what I am getting and what my college friends who are in Private sectors are getting irrespective of the workload.
ReplyDeleteI would like to invite ur attention into an in justice/anomaly in the payscales of two section of employees.
ReplyDeleteAn candidate who had a qualification of three years diploma is eligible to join the govt.service as a junior engineer in the pay scale of 5000-8000.After that even if he is not lucky to get promoted,he will automatically get the pay scale of Asst.Engineer in the pay scale of Rs.6500/- on completion of 12 years as per ACP scheme.Like that after completion of 24 years service he will get the pay scale of Ex.Engineer(Rs.10,000/-)automatically.
Now look into other related case.
Somebody who had a 2 year diploma certificate of Draftsmanship from any ITI can got appointed as a Draftsman gr.III in the payscale of(Rs.4000/-).After completing 3 years service he can get promoted to Gr.II in the payscale of Rs.5000-8000, as equal to Jr.Engr.Then after 8 years service he get the next grade of Draftsman Gr.I in the scale of Rs.5500/-(if available).I would like to ask the pay commission what kind of joke is this? A gr.II Draftsman having an annual increment of Rs.150/- allready reaches the basic of Rs.5750/-after completing 8 years service(ie.3 yrs service in Gr.III and 5 years service in Gr.II).Then what is the purpose of giving him the scale of Rs.5500/-.Isn't it a cruel joke to an employee? This is also same in case of ACP scheme(Basic Rs.5000/- after 12 years and Basic of Rs.5500/-after 24 years)whereas a jr.Engineer having a qualification of one year extra gets the scale of Rs.10,000/- after 24 years.Look in to the anomally between Rs.5500/- and Rs.10,000/- after equal years (24 Yrs) of service among this two category of employees.So my request is that kindly abolish the scale of Rs.5500/- and upgrade it to Rs.6500/-for draftsman Gr.I.so that a Gr.II draftsman after completing 24 years of service will atleast get the sacle of Rs.6500/-. I think that You will consider this case favourably.I had given just a comparison,and have nothing against any post or employee.
THANKS
Govt has no hesitation in increasing salary of MPs. Salary of PSUs employees are increased after every 4-5 years. Salary of Govt employees are increased after a gap of 10 years and it takes more than that in implementing the same.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmKmJaaTxLU
ReplyDeletemost of the employees want to serve in the metros due to the fact that they get 30% HRA in the metros. whereas in other areas people are not interested to get posted as the HRA percentage is 7.5
ReplyDeleteIt would be ideal if same percentage of HRA is applicable throughout the country which may reduce the flow of staff to the metros. the same is adopted by West Bengal at a rate of 15% for all areas.
As per the inflationary trends going on in India, the pay of each and every central government employee should be doubled every year.
ReplyDeleteDeptt. of Posts,India has been computerised for last 12 years. Important data bases are maintained and sensitive financial transactions are made everyday through computers and computer networks. very crucial decisions are taken related to the computer technology field. But it's a great surprise that there is no computer engineering Wing/cadre and the whole technical support is given by the postal staffs who have been given a name- System Administrator(SA). these SAs have learned a lot and undergone different computer courses mostly at their own cost and giving support to the department at their best, but they don't have any recognition or remuneration as their is no separate computer engineering wing. Even the crucial decisions and policy matters are finalised by the high level General administrators(bureaucrats NOT Technocrats) of the department where technical expertise(Technocrats) is highly required resulting undesirable policies and even incurring financial loses to the department and the country. The Pay comission must recommend for a new Computer Engineering wing for the Deptt. Of Posts(DOP), India and must consider the services provided by the System Administrators of DOP so that they can be accomodated into the proposed Computer Engineering wing on the basis of their experience and qualifications relevant to the Computer field, and they get a reasonable pay scale as is enjoyed by other engineering cadres along with fair scope for promotions. This recommendation will not only do fair justice to the current SAs but also the Computer systems and the related administration would be in proper hands resulting optimum utilisation of Govt. Money and controling the loses as mentioned earlier.
ReplyDeleteDeptt. of Posts,India has been computerised for last 12 years. Important data bases are maintained and sensitive financial transactions are made everyday through computers and computer networks. very crucial decisions are taken related to the computer technology field. But it's a great surprise that there is no computer engineering Wing/cadre and the whole technical support is given by the postal staffs who have been given a name- System Administrator(SA). these SAs have learned a lot and undergone different computer courses mostly at their own cost and giving support to the department at their best, but they don't have any recognition or remuneration as their is no separate computer engineering wing. Even the crucial decisions and policy matters are finalised by the high level General administrators(bureaucrats NOT Technocrats) of the department where technical expertise(Technocrats) is highly required resulting undesirable policies and even incurring financial loses to the department and the country. The Pay comission must recommend for a new Computer Engineering wing for the Deptt. Of Posts(DOP), India and must consider the services provided by the System Administrators of DOP so that they can be accomodated into the proposed Computer Engineering wing on the basis of their experience and qualifications relevant to the Computer field, and they get a reasonable pay scale as is enjoyed by other engineering cadres along with fair scope for promotions. This recommendation will not only do fair justice to the current SAs but also the Computer systems and the related administration would be in proper hands resulting optimum utilisation of Govt. Money and controling the loses as mentioned earlier.
ReplyDeletegroup D servicemen who are gratuates and postgratuates should be paid additiuonal increment alongwith good oppertunities for promotion.
ReplyDeleteIn the present scenario, A senior Group A officer(honest) can not afford cost of study of two children in professional institutions even if thier children are competant enough to qualify for the competetion.
ReplyDeleteis'nt that pitty!
let them make the future of thier children (honestly)as thier parents did for them.
200% increase would satisfy todays requirements
ReplyDeletewhaat ever the employer is going to pay the work will be according to that or otherwise.........
ReplyDeletewhat you are expecdting form your employee is your choice.
Those who blame govt employee they see in there gireban.......
To curb corruption in govt. department and make govt. sector corruption free, the pay of the govt. employee needs a good hike so that every employee can buy a house of its own, give better education to their children, have better medical facilities when he or his family members are ill and better working atmosphere.
ReplyDeleteFriends, it appears there is a lot of Hue & Cry of the Group A and B Officers in the Govt. sector. The posts and suggestions from many of the commentors are laudable and acceptable.
ReplyDeleteBut, don't you agree, the foundations such as Group C and D employees though more in number are the real work force in the Govt. sector. It is seen and found in many of the offices that the group C employees are burdened the most. The staff reduction is being done the most in case of Group C posts. There by increasing the volume of work to the Group C employees. Would it not be fair enough the improve upon the salaries of these employees in such a manner that they too would hold their head high and walk in the public.
The TA & DA on tours vary from category to category in the Govt. services. I agree that the higher officers ought to have the better accommodation while on tour as per their status. But that does not mean the Group C and D employees on tour should spend their nights in dormitory or footpaths and further more eat junk food. Let there be a disparity in the mode of travel but not in DA, coz, they to need to eat well and live healthy.
For an example, the DA with Hotel rates for Group C employees in A class cities is around Rs. 200. Please consider getting a decent hotel room and decent two time meal a day in A class city at this price. Also in this DA he gets while on tour has to spend for the local commutation. - Just imagine.
Well Manisha this is a commendable job being done by you and do pass these messages to the commission for consideration.
Jai Hind
Not only Pay Commissions but all sorts of Commissions established to study and recommend measures for betterment of the bureaucracy should gradually eliminate the disparity lying within the system. For civilian employees, there should be only one category of employees selected through a single recruiting agency based on a common syllabus. Similar arrangements should be made for armed forces and technical posts too. The supporting staff like drivers, cleaners, peons, cooks, gardeners etc. should be outsourced. A unique ID number should be allotted to all those who join Govt service, based on their rank in the merit list; this will eliminate hassles in determining seniority in different departments/ministries. The pay scale at the initial grades should be same for all employees. If the initial pay scale of a staff nurse becomes equal to the initial pay scale of a doctor, then people will not look down upon any particular profession. This way, equally talented people will join govt. service at every sphere. Promotions should be based on performance and not as a matter of right.... all sorts of fringe benefits should be down away with but a better pay package should be offered.
ReplyDeletei think it is high time our govt thinks in terms of giving govt accomodation only where essential.it is a colonial legacy that evey Tom Dick and harry is provided with govt/alt accomodation.except for Essential personell,provsn of accomodation should be done away with. to compensate for this they can be given better pay scales like in the USA.
ReplyDeletethe accomodation thus released can be sold in the open maket and govt instead will earn rather than spend.also extra expenditue will be curtailed.
Well, Till the actual recommendations comes out - whatever we hear - whatever we discuss - whatever we expect - remains a mysterious though within itself. Nevertheless - I guess that the salary hike will be about 2.15 times of the present salary. And in the proportionate basis - our taxes also will increase.
ReplyDeleteDBS.
There should be increase in very important departments where talent matters,but some of them are alredy getting more such as teachers in comarision to private sector.
ReplyDeleteThere should be an increment in very imp. areas as some of departments already gettingmuch eg govt. teacher is getting very much in comparision to private teacher.So increase should be made keeping in mind that farmers should not suffer , if we increase too much then gap between unemloyed and employed will be more. which is not a good sign...
ReplyDeleteAlways Scientists are developing new inventions but we fail to recognize them during their life time. Even to-day Master Degree / PhD - Specialists are being ignored in Govt & Public sectors. Only Generalists with just a Degree are able to get a better salary, higher promotions & positions. There should be a clear appreciation for the Specialists as being done in developed countries.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Executives who resigned from PSUs like NTPC, BHEL etc. are being re-inducted at higher grades violating Govt’s Reservation Policy & ditching the Executives continuously working in the organization. They are also insisting for increase in Retirement age, so that only a set of people will continuously stay in power and enjoy every benefit.
Sixth pay commission should take note of it and regulate such irregularities.
dear sir,
ReplyDeletemy name is naresh kumar, serving as a constable is a paramilitary force. the salary for c & b groups must be increased, how much you like to increase the security level of our country and to avoid correption. please don't make the rich as richer.
I think it increase around 3 times, as it already reached to double (Basic+DP+DA).
ReplyDeleteHowever, its effective date may be from July-07 or Jan-07.
Yes, I think basic incrased 3 times, as it already doubled (Basic+DP+DA). However, its effective date is from Jul-07 only.
ReplyDeletewhatever increase will be in 6th Pay Commission.. should be apply soon otherwise it will not so effective..
ReplyDeleteAttiration Rate in PSU like NTPC is become five times and others are just waiting for
ReplyDeleteSPC report, if it is at par with Private Sector then OK otherwise a manpower crisis will
be there in Such Navratna PSU . so SPC should implement its report before Jan 2008
as already many are left and others are in queue.
There is a depression among government servants, more particulary among engineering community whom they feel that those who are non corruptive and work hard,smart and sincere to prove themselves, there is no future.
ReplyDeleteWill Governments of Union and the States implement a confidential and strict evaluation of its employees by a third party agency, (not by the higher officers of each of the employees) and promote the employees based on such evaluation before implementing the pay scales.
Each employee may be asked to furnish his achievements which may be evaluated by the third party agency to check the self appraisel of the employee based on the available records. This will avoid partiality, nepotism etc..,
Having worked in so many foriegn countries under different MNC managements, I do feel too bad on the favoritism still in vouge in India, in Govt. Sector.
I agree that Govt. salaries should go up.I would, however, at the same time suggest it is high time we change the way we look at salaries in the Govt.
ReplyDeletePresently we are not looking at the cost to the Govt. but at the actual cash in hand. We are not including the value of big govt. houses in posh localities provided almost free of cost. We are also not including the value of vehicles with chauffer.We are not putting value on things like free servants and plenty of leaves.
I agree that not all employees in the Govt. get all these facilities. Further, it is generally employees from Civil Services/Defence Services and not most of the Group A officers, who get these facilities. A distinction should, therefore, be made on the basis of facilities provided and value of perquisites, as mentioned above, must be added to arrive at the total cost to the Govt. I can assure you that you would find most of the officers from Civil Services / Defence Services are getting paid almost equal and even more than what a generally successful professional from a good institute would be earning.
Further, what value shall we place on almost 100% job security and little accountability..limited to giving proper comments on the note-sheet.
Public Sector pays better but it also involves more responsibility.In addition, the salaries are calculated on cost-to-the-company basis. Further, if a particular company is not doing well, not just the perks...even the job is not safe. So, we should look at the Govt. salaries in isolation and not in comparison to private or public sector. Nobody is under duress to join a Govt. job. If you are not happy with your salary and you fel you are better than those in the private and public sector.....you should leave the govt and make your career there.
The Lesson: Let the salary be based on cost to the govt basis. Cash component should be arrived at after deducting the value of freebies as mentioned above. An employee should have a choice to avail facilities as mentioned above or to go for the cash.
The Pay commission should increase the Pay scales by 3 to 3.5 times. Annual inrement should be 3.5% to 4% of the basic pay. Transport Allowance should be 10% of the basic Pay for all cities. CCA should 5 times the present levels. HRA should be 50%, 35% and 25% of basic pay depending upon city instead of present levels of 30%, 15% and 7.5%. The Govt should prepare a list of Govt/Charitable hospitals. Treatment from these hospitals whether indoor or outdoor should be free.( If required the Govt should pay the bill to the hospital directly. Employee should not first pay from his pocket and then claim reimbursement). All officers should get free mobile phones and laptops. If the officer desires, in lieu of transport allowance, officers in JAG and above grades should be provided vehicles for commuting between home and office. While on tour travel by air and stay in hotels should be allowed. Eligibility should be same as for officers of PSU's having Nav Ratna status. Productivity linked bonus should be given to all officers irrespective of scale.
ReplyDeleteDeputations to private sector (even MNC's) should be allowed for maximum 3 years at a stretch. In entire service life maximum deputation to private sector should not be more than 6 years. Most of the posts such as posts of Joint secretary, Additional Secretary, Secretary in the ministries; Board level posts in PSU’s and corporations etc. presently occupied by IAS or other service officers should be open to officers of all cadres. Promotion opportunities should be same for officers of all cadres. Percentage of posts in various scales should be same for all cadres. An officer should be promoted to higher grade only when all the eligible officers of senior batches (irrespective of cadre ) have been promoted to that grade. This means that an officer of 1989 exam batch should be promoted to SAG only after all eligible officers of all services upto 1988 exam batch have been promoted to SAG.
Bureaucrats are paid not to get rich nor to live below the poverty line!Blame this to the huge structure of bureaucrats manning the administration.Inorder to get decent and respectable pay,let us done away 50%of the bureaucrats by reducing the retirement age from the present 60 to 58 years.Drastically reduced the intake of new recruits too.Let there be hire and fire system and privitise most of the bureaucratic function.If the bureaucrat thinks that there is lack of talents in the country,think again!Therefore,make Government service lean,trim,efficient and effective.Only in this context,they will deserve hefty salary.Paid them in terms of lakhs and let them also slots like the private sector executives.Drastically cut down paid holidays and adopt 6 days working days format.Big difference will come when majority of the work force are young,energetic and talented.India is Shinning only because of the contribution of the private sector,not because of Babus.Common guys,come out from your bureaucratic mindset and make a difference.
ReplyDeletewhy there is so much emphasis about Group A Service?. The percentage of Group B, Group C and Group D officers are far more higher than Group A officers. It is these Officers who are really toiling very hard (without complaining) in the field and do ground work for the Group A Officers to decide. So they should also be given the same treatment, in fact better treatment than Group A Officers. At least the Group A Officers have the powers. What do the others have
ReplyDeleteSHIV
ReplyDeleteThe salary of highly qualified professionals particularly Civil Engineers should be enhanced to two times as their counterparts in private sector are getting 3-4 times.
all central govt employees please take into account "job security" befor eyou ask for any parity with private sector.can you put a value on that???its a direct case of a person being paid more because he takes risks in the private sector while you don't.
ReplyDeleteand as for comapring yourself with psu executives , just see how much work ntpc,bhel,ongc employees have to do and at what location.
in comparison you do nothing.
and as for this bogey that the best join govt service, forget it . as on date only biharis do so.not even 20 people are giving the civil servies exam in IIT delhi , when earlier 200 used to do so.
times have changed, you can keep remembering " the good old days " or get off your ass and do some productive work.
In his interview Hon'ble Justice Sri Krishna hinted about the performance linked incentives to the central government employees. At this point I think it is neither appropriate nor desirable to introduce such a thing. It will give chance to 'chamchagiri' and create a lot of heart burn. To my knowledge in one of the autonomous scientific organizations such a scheme called "Merit Promotion" was introduced but later withdrawn. I hope the Commission will not provide any loopholes for the employers (superiors) to use more powers at their whims and fancies. The CRs itself is a waste and if we introduce another angle to it, it will create even more problems.
ReplyDeleteRESPECT CONSTITUTION OF INDIA
ReplyDeleteAND DIRECTIVE PRINCIPLES
ALL THE CITIZENS OF INDIA MUST
ReplyDeleteRESPECT CONSTITUTION OF INDIA
WHICH ALSO MEANS DIRECTIVE PRINCIPLES OF CONSTITUTION ALTHOUGH
NOT ENFOCEABLE THROUGH SUPREME COURT OF INDIA
IF SOMEONE IS NOT GETTING FOOD
THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE SHOULD
TRY TO KEEP OTHERS HUNGRY
COUNT THE NUMBER OF CAR OWNER
FROM DIRECTOR OF PRIVATE COMPANIES
STOCK BROKER,AND BUSINESSMEN AND
COMPARE IT WITH NUMBER OF CARS
OF GOVT.OFFICER FROM ALL DEPARTMENTS i.e.TOTAL CARS
BELONGING TO CENTRAL AND STATE
GOVERNMENTS WHICH ARE GIVEN FOR
OFFICIAL PURPOSES ONLY AMD MOT FOR
PERSONAL USE .AFTER RETIREMENT
EVERYTHING GOES
COMPARE THE LUXURY ENJOYED BY
BUSINESSMEN,DIRECTORS.STOCK BROKER
ETC, AT THE COST OF LOW PAID
PRIVATE EMPLOYEES
THEN TELL WHAT SALARY SHOULD BE
PAID TO GOVT EMPLOYEES.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND MY FRIENDS
YOURS
KPB
It is mere waste to think of sixth pay commission. Whatever commission comes, the commission agents of postal department namely IPOs get the best benefit more than even Group A officers. The Group C cadre is the only cadre which increases production and the benefits are enjoyed by the Inspector cadre of postal department. The Group A officers also do not have minimum knowledge of computers, rulings of the department but get away with the illegal advices of the inspectors who are ready to do any filthy thing for upgradation. Every time, the Group A officers thinking with mean mentality are degrading the lower cadre while upgrading the useless,waste cadre inspectors. Guys, please do not think anything about pay structure in the department, leave the department if possible otherwise try to adjust to the environment of mud.
ReplyDeleteOne must understand that government employees are paid as per the capacity of the society. Wages are just honourarium for a government servant. In addition to wages it is the authority to manage the socio econic affairs of society that a government servant has at his back.
ReplyDeleteThis day the government is constructing roads even by taking loans from ADB or World Bank. The common man has lost faith in the honesty of government employees. As on date a regular goverment employee is paid about 100% of the basic pay as DA and dearness pay plus house rent etc where as the same government departs do not pay even Rs. 100 per day to a daily wage employee. Such a wide discripency. The government on one side boasts of control on inflation and the other side pays about 12 % DA to employees every year. Should be pay for in efficiency to our employees. Since the revisions are constructed and processed by government employees they mis guide the politicians and obtain wage increases. And the common man pays for inefficiency in terms of indirect taxes on every thing including walking on foot on a road. No revision in pay is needed. rather DA should be frozen.
Further the retirement age should not be increased. rather must be reduced for government employees since the retired government employees have much better social security than a person retiring from a private employment. This would give employment to many unemployed. The retired government servant still has retirement benefits to feed his stomach where as a common private workers has no such in flow. How funny government boasts of fixing a pension of Rs. 600 / pm for Sr. Citizens when on the hand the government employee with a basic salary of Rs. 20000 per month is considered so weak financially that he is given another Rs.25000 per month to nnutralise the affect of high cost of living ? I am sure the government employees will curse me, but it what my nation demand to day ?
Daya Sagar Social Activist J&K
Friends,
ReplyDeleteI am a Class I officer in one of the High Courts covered by Central pay scales.
The pay scales offered to High Court employees by the State Governments are parthings because of the undisputed fact that the work load of High Court employees is double and sometimes triple in comparison with the State Government employees. However, whenever a proposal to increase the pay or allowances of a High Court employee is sent to State Government, concerned State Government does not sanction them and does not care for the justification given by the Chief Justice under Art.229. These unfortunate High Court employees are underpaid by the State Governments. The general overall opinion about State Employees is not good. Therefore, everybody opposes any increase to State employees. However, High Courts staff never indulge in unwanted activities as alleged against the State Government employees and suffer because of apathy of the State Governments. May be very few Chief Ministers would be in a position to appreciate this. The High Court employees are wedded to work by compulsion through their routine as well as the imperialim practiced in High Courts and underpaid too.
Whenever cases are filed in High Courts for betterment and equality with other well-paid High Courts, like Delhi and Supreme Court, they are met with judicial inactivism, thereby denying them their rightful dues.
It is my hope against hope that that the pay commission and the Government will recommend appropriate pay scales for the high court employees of Delhi and Supreme Court so that at least other High Courts' employees will start doing something about their predicament.
MY LORD
ReplyDeleteHONOURBLE JUSTICE
CCS(CCA)RULES,1965
APPLICABLE TO CENTRAL GOVT EMPLOYEES
IS NOT CONSITANT WITH INDIAN PENAL
CODE & CRIMINAL PROCEDURE CODE
INDIAN PEANAL CODE PROVIDES
HOW MUCH PUNISHMENT
TO BE GIVEN FOR THEFT , MURDER
ETC.
BUT CCS(CCA)RULES DOES NOT
PROVIDE THIS . APPOINTING AUTHORITY
CAN GIVE MORE PUNISHMENT FOR
SMALLL MISTAKES.EVEN DISSMISAL
FROM SERVICE . EGO FACTOR WORKS.
FOURTH PAY COMMISSION ABOLISHED
TEMPORARY, QUASI-PERMANENCY,
PERMANCY AND INTRODUCED
ALL SHOULD BE CONFIRMED
AFTER PROBATION PERIOD
THIS HAPPENED DUE TO
FOURTH PAY COMMISSION .
MY LORD , I PRAY FOR JUSTICE
ANG GIVE JUSTICE
NOT GIVE ARBITRARY POWERS
TO APPOINTIMG AUTHORITY
IN NO CASE TO PROMOTEE
FROM WHICH CADRE HE ELEVETED
I PRAY JUSTICE AND
GIVE JUSTICE
YOUR PRAYER
KPB
GROUP A CADRE MEANS MISUSER OF
ReplyDeleteCCS(CCA)RULES 1965. ONLY GR C & D
EMPLOYEES WORKS HARD.
GROUP A CADRE HAVE FULL POWER
IN RESPECT OF GR C & D EMPLOYEES.
THEY ARE UPGADING POSTS SO THEY
CAN INCREASE THEIR PAY AND STATUS.
NUMBER OF ICS POSTS HAVE INCREASED
MUCH MORE THAN GR C& D IN PAST
TWENTY YEARS .HARDWORKING POSTS
OF GR C&D HAVE NOT INCREASED.
GR A CADRE ENJOYING LUXURY
ReplyDeleteSITTING IN AIR CONDITIONED CHAMBER
WHILE GR C & D WORKS HARD.
ding dong
ReplyDeleter ppl more bothered about what and why others get. how abt giving ur requirement
There is so much of talk doing the rounds 'Why do Government Staff require extra or increased pay? ' But before you ask such a question. do you even know what the Government officers actually get as salary
ReplyDeleteIt should be publicised what is the salary of Government Staff to clear the mis-conception that they are paid too high.
A new recruit IAS/IPS/IFS/ Central Group A Service officer gets Rs.8000/- + DA + CCA. ever wonder what that talent would have attracted in the private sector ? giving away Rs. 2400/- for rent in Class I cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai etc what accomodation would he/she be getting and with the balance of salary would be able to afford for travel, clothing, food, children's educational expenses, medical expenses. Agreet it is a service and cant be made profitable but at the same time it should be equitable with the intellect that is recruited.
Why would not corruption take place with so much of duties and responsibilities and authority.. and such a low salary.. one has to afford a cup of tea/coffer costing Rs. 5 for atleast 4-5 perons visiting him in the office.. which is working out to Rs. 25 per day and Rs. 625 a month with is almost equivalent to 8% of his salary..
Let someone publish the actual take home salaries for the public to know
beaurocrats say that they will have tendency t become corrupt if not paid well.....> imagine the defence service officer if not paid he takes bribes and lets in the militants and sometime strikes only to give the press news. will it not be a good idea to pay them??
ReplyDeletecant this country recognise their service before they die
why is it that the pay of MPs is also not decided by this pay panel had that been the case the pay panel would have come on time and would have given better parity. imagine what it would be like having atleast 25% of the telephone bill of what the MP or MLA gets.. :::::> I think that is something we have to see and guess man and the salary thats beyond mine. when they can justify that why the hell and who the hell is some one who questions that govt officers who go through compititive exams and are cream of the nation are not to be paid at par with them. also the imagine the kind of people who go and sit there in parliament I cant comment on that as I will spoil my country's image myself. So gentlemen decide yourself
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i am a defence officer who wants to leave the job and join private sector for ne reason that i am not getting my pay as per the effort i put in. if govt thinks that i am wrong then why doesnt it release me and my colleagues who are waiting to go out. if the scales they are paying or will ay is good then young blood will join the force. if not they will burn their hands. so whats the big deal...
ReplyDeleteI cant get it at all
gross salary should be 2.5 times
ReplyDeleteof the present salary to meet the economy demands....
I.C.S Cadre merely do administrative job. They do not
ReplyDeletehave practical knowldge of lower cadre i.e.Gr C.& D. employees.
Past ago govt had banned
recruitment for about five to
six years . Only Retirement,
Death,posts were filled.
No staff strength increased.
Higher level officers I.C.S.
cadre were
just putting pressure
and getting work done by
Gr.C.& D Employees.Very much
unjustice was given to lower cadre
This fact is not known to Public
CCS(CCA)CONDUCT RULES MUST BE
MODIFIED.Let govt empolyees
allow to express their grievences.
In Democracy everyone has right
to express his openion, views
its fundamental right
given by constitution of India.
Give this right to govt.Employees.
PLEASE THINK ALL MY FRIENDS &
CITIZENS.
THE GOVT, TODAY IS THRIVING FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE, RATHER I SHOULD SAY FOR GLOBAL GOVERNANCE,BUT THE GOVT. CAN'T THINK OF ONE WITHOUT SEEKING THE OVERALL PROGRESS OF ITS EMPLOYEES.THERE IS STIFF COMPETITIUON B'COZ OF THE PVT. SECTOR AND THEY ARE PRESSING HARD AS THERE MORALE IS HIGH.THEY OWE TO THE GOOD SALARY PROVIDED TO THEM. A YOUTH WORKING IN A BPO IS ABLE TO EARN RS18000 EASILY AND THE MAXIMUM SALARY WHICH A GOVT. EMPLOYEE OF GROUP C IS ABLE TO FETCH IS A MEAGRE RS12000-RS13000(5500-9000).HOW CAN WE EXPECT EFFICIENCY FROM THESE POOR GOVT. EMPLOYEES.
ReplyDeleteUNION GOVT. OF INDIA THINK OVER IT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE TO PONDER.
In central gov. the engineers whose present scale of pay 6500-200-10500. should be treated under the group B level as they are having qualifications of B.Tech/M.Tech.
ReplyDeleteHi Everyone,
ReplyDeleteI am an Oil PSU Executive. Well We are expecting atleast gross salary of Rs. 12 lakhs a year for the junior most officer grade. Well certain benefits are already given to us. just for the information to all
Children education allownace has been increased from Rs. 200 to RS. 1000/- per month
Mobile phone facility has been extended to all the officers with Rs. 1200/- per month
Computer advance facility is already existing. This is the real benefit to us, just to explain you, our company gives us Rs. 50000/- as advance and deducts Rs. 200/- per month for 4 years and then the computer is yours !!!!! Apart from it company gives Rs. 17000/- per year as PC Maintenance Allowance !!!! Isn't it kool !!!!
Well we are expecting similar facility for CAR as well, where company will give the cost of vehicle say Rs. 5,00,000/- deduct say Rs. 500/- per month and then after 4 years the CAR is ours !!! and that too with a CAR Maintenance Allowance of say 25000/- per year !!!!!
Well despite of all these good schemes, we are still paid poorely compare to our counterparts in private / multi national, it is my assumption that we are paid about half the salaries compare to our private counterparts but we are working as good as private guys and many a times even better than them !!!!
We oil PSU executives surely don't have any grudge against any one including the govt. and we were given upper hand in almost all the pay fixation and this time also we will set the benchmarking for everyone !!!
Sunil (Bunty)
Government should not extend the age for retirement. There should be transparancy in the salary. Benefits like Medical Allowance should add in the monthly salary instead of medical claim system. Present Medi Claim Facility make Employees get involved in corruption activities. They go for medical claim and always present fraud bills. Why does Govt. make them to do this kind of activities. Govt. should learn from Private Companies. Why govt. want to keep its employees involved in corrupt activities. Keep their pocket full and give them a lot of work. Dont let them think beyond their work area.
ReplyDeleteTHOSE OPPOSING PAY HIKE OF
ReplyDeleteGOVT.EMPLYOYEES THINK THIS.
I HAD SEEN NEAR A COURT OF LAW
NEAR MUMABI C.S.T.
A PERSON SITTING IN CAR WAS
TALKING TO A POLICEMAN HE WAS
ASKING HIM AT WHAT COST YOU HAVE
GOT THIS DRESS i.e,WARDHI
TOUCHING HIS DRESS BUT POOR
POLICEMAN WAS LISTENING THIS
INSULTING LANGUAGE BECUASE
HE WILL GET MONEY FROM
THE PERSON SITTING IN A CAR.
READ ANNUAL REPORTS OF
PRIVATE COMPANIES. HOW MUCH
SALARY FIFTEEN DIRECTORS GETS
PER MONTH.
STOP SHARE HOLDING COMPANIES
LET THEM RUN PARTENER COMPANIES
THEN THEY WIL HAVE TO PAY
INCOME TAX ,PROPERTY TAX FULLY
ONLY PARTENRSHIP COMPANIES BE
ALLOWED.
NO STOCK EXCHANGE, NO STOCK BROKER
NO DIRECTOR OF COMPANIES GETTEING
SALARY & PERKS TWO LAKHS PER MONTH
THIS IS DUE TO GOVT RESTRICTIONS
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE GOT
SALARY OF ONE TO TEN CRORES.
THOSE COMMENTING ON
WHAT GOVT EMPLOYEES GET
THINK ABOUT YOUR DIRECTOR OF
COMPANIES WHAT SALARY HE GETS
HOW MUCH WORK HE DOES.
A HEAD OF CENTRAL GOVT .DEPT
DOES NOT GET THIS SALARY.
HE MANAGES FIVE TO SIX LAKH
EMPLOYEES.
IN MUMBAI,WHEN LOCAL TRAINS RUN
ReplyDeleteLATE, OR STOPS FOR FIVE TO SIX
HOURS LOCAL TRAINS ARE BURNT
AT VARIOUS STATIONS.MOTORMEN BEATEN.BEST CONDUCTOR WORKS
IN CROWDED BUS.DRIVER DRIVES
CAREFULLY IN HEAVY TRAFFIC
WHILE PUBLIC CROSSES ROAD
CARELESELY ACCIDENT OCCURS
AGAIN PUBLIC BURN BUSES
BEAT UP DRIVER , CONDURCTOR.
THERE IS HEAVY RESPSIBILITY
ON PURLIC SERVANT.
THOSE GETTING LOW PAYMENT IN
PRIVATE COMPANIES HAVE NO JOB
OTHER THAN COMMENTING ON
GOVT/PUBLIC SERVANT.
THEY DO NOT HAVE TRANSFERS
THEY DO NOT KNOW IMPACT
OF TRANSFERS ESPECIALLY
GR C EMPLOYEES.
SHIFTING TO ANOTHER TOWN
GETTING HOUSE, ADMISSION PROBLEM
OF SCHOOL, COLLEGES ETC.
THEY WORK AT ONLY ONE PLACE
MOSTLY IN THEIR RESIDING AREA
ALL THE COMMENTS ARE MAINLY
FROM LOW PAID PRIVATE EMPLOYEES
NOT FROM BUSINESSMEN SINCE
THEY ARE ENJOYING AT LOW PAID
PRIVATE EMPOYEES.
READ CONSTITUTION OF INDIA
AND ITS DIRECTEVE PRINCIPLES
ALSO SEARCH PERSONS HAVING
CRIMINAL BAGROUND AND SITTING
IN PARLIAMENT.DO THIS JOB FIRST
IF YOU DO NOT KNOW DIRECTIVE
PRICIPLES THEN LEAVE THE SUBJECT
HOW MUCH TO BE PAID TO GOVT.EMPLOYEES TO THE PAY COMMISSION, DO YOUR JOB
WHERE YOU ARE WORKING YOU HAVE
NOTHING TO DO WITH PAY COMMISSION
M.R.P. MEANS MAXIMUM REATAIL
PRICE BUT GOVT OF MAHARASHTRA
IMPOSES SALES TAX OM M.R.P.
WHICH IS M.R.P. WHAT IS THIS VAT
MEDICINES ARE NOT SPARED
CUSTOMER DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IS
M.R.P. CONCENTRATE YOUR MIND ON
THIS.
LEFT ISSUE OF PAY COMMISSION
TO PAY COMMISSION AND GOVT.SERVANT
IT IS EASY BURN LOCAL TRAINS,
DAMAGE BUSES ,WHAT ABOUT
YOUR PRIVATE COMPANY DIRECTOR
YOUR MULL OWNER . COMPANY OWNER
CAN SHUT THE SHOP AT ANY TIME
THINK REMEDY ABOUT THIS.
DO NOT BECOME ANGRY MY FRIENS
ALL CITIZENS ARE EQUAL BEFORE LAW.
IN DEMOCRACY FOCUS YOUR
MIND ON DEMOCATIC RIGHT.
EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.
LATE PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA
NEHRU AND SMT INDIRA GAANDHI
FOLLOWED MIXED ECONOMY
ALSO ENACTED AGRICULTURE LAND
CEILING ACT WHICH BENEFITED
MANY VILLAGERS. BE BROAD
MINDED
LATE PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA
ReplyDeletePANDIT JAWAHARLAL NEHRU HAD ADOPTED
MIXED ECONOMY i.e.GOVT.COMPANIES
AND PRIVATE COMPANY GO PARALLEL
SO THAT DEMOCRACY WILL REMAIN
PROTECTED AND COUNTRY SHOULD NOT
GO IN THE HANDS OF INDUSTRIALISTS,
CAPITALISTS.
PUBLIC HAD LOST TRUST IN BANKING
BANKING WAS FEARFUL SO PEOPLE
PREFERED TO RETAIN SAVINGS IN
THE FORM GOLD ETC LIKE IN OLD TIMES
LATE PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA
INDIRA GANDHI NATIONALISED
BANKS SO STABILITY CAME.
DURING WAR OF 1971
ESSAR LIKE FOREIGN COMPANIES
DID NOT GIVE CO-OPERATION.
FUEL TO AEROPLANES WAS PROBLEM.
DUE TO THIS LATE SMT INDIRA GANDHI
DECIDED TO NATIONALISE PETROLEUM
COMPANIES,HPCL BPCL ETC SINCE
SHE REALISED DURING WAR ONLY
GOVT.COMPANIES IN THEIR HAND
FOR TWENTY FOUR HOURS LIKE
EVERY GOVT.SERVANT IS DUTY
BOUND FOR TWENTY FOUR HOURS.
GLOBAL COMPANIES MEANS
BACKDOOR ENTRY INTO DEMOCRATIC
COUNTRIES.WORLD BANK DOES IT
WHY YOU NEED FOREIGN INVESTMENT
IF GOVT WANTS TO BUILD DAM
JUST GIVE ADVERTISE FOR
INVESTMENT NOT ONLY FARMERS
BUT OTHERS WILL INVEST IN SHARES.
PRIVATISATION MEANS SELLENG OF
ReplyDeleteGOVT.PROPERTY.IF SOMEONE WANTS
TO SET UP INDUSTRY HE HAS TO GET
LICENCE FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS,
CLEARANCES , OBJECTIONS FROM
OTHER PARTIES. MEANS LENGTHY
PROCEDURE. INSTEAD GIVE
SOMETHING UNDER TABLE AND
CAPTURE A GOVT. COMPANY
NO LICENCES, NO CLEARANCES
FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
A EASY JOB TO GET HUGE PROPERTY.
IF GOVT.DOES OWN ANYTING
MEANS IT IS BANKRUPT .
DO WE WANT INDIA HAVING
NO PROPERTY OF ITS OWN.
i feel the govt. of india should introduce 6th pay commission so that the work done in the govt. departments will get improved and the corruption will also get lesser
ReplyDeleteit should be made applicable to all govt. employees including contractual, consilidated, and daily wagers, it is a good step and will really improve work culture in govt. deppts in india
Our politicians are hell bent to prove that govt. sector is most inefficient, corrupt and unmanageable by not providing administrative freedom, spare parts, training and demoralising staff and officers. By doing so they want to show that govt. sector like Railways and ports should be sold out to private sector. (I would like to ask to them, If Private sector is the most inefficient then how SBI was awarded most prefferd home loan provider?)
ReplyDeleteSo Govt. will always under pay and try to harass, exploit employee.
We will never be able to lead a decent life.
Thus i conclude by predicting a meager Rs 500/- increase in take home pay for a group C Staff.
Sorry to disappoint everyone out there.
One of my Group-A colleague with a refined sense of humour narrated the following:-
ReplyDelete20 Years back, as a young Group-A officer, I used to discard my vest (banian) whenever it developed holes and socks whenever it became shapeless.
Today, as a senior middle level Gr-A officer, I continue to use (RAGADO) my vest till it becomes a rag and socks till my toes start jutting out. So, with increase in pay and rise in level in hierarchy, the plight seems to have moved southwards.
HIs qualifications include degrees from the finest institutions in India (IIT,IIM).
I am sure more or less similar is the plight of other Group-A officers at various levels.
So Jai Hind bhaiyon, ab sirf itni tamanna hai ki Chaddi kharidne ke layek tankhwah milti rahe, izzat bachee rahegi!
POLICE INVESTIGATES CRIMES
ReplyDeleteFILES CHARGESHEET IN A COURT OF
LAW UNDER VARIOUS SECTIONS OF
INDIAN PENAL CODE.
PUBLIC PROSECUTOR DEFENDS
ON BEHALF OT POLICE & GOVT.
ADVOCATE OF ACCUSSED DEFENDS
ARGUING HE HAS NOT COMMITEED
ANY CRIME
JUDGE DECIDES CASE HEARING
BOTH SIDES.
APPOINTING ATUTHORITY ISSUES
CHARGESHEET TO AN EMPLYOYEE
WHO IS WORKING UNDER HIM.
INQUIRY OFFICER, PRESENTING
OFFICER, DEFENCE ASSISTANT MEANS
ADVOCATE OF CHARGED OFFICIAL.
ALL THIS IS FARCE.
A POLICE OFFICER IS
NEVER A JUDGE.
BUT UNDER CCS(CCA) RULES 1965
THE APPOINTING AUTHORIIY WHO
ISSUES CHARGESHEET IS JUDGE
HIMSELF.THIS IS FULLY AGAINST
INDIN PENAL CODE.
THE OFFICER WHO ISSUES
CHARGESHEET AND GIVE DISMISSAL
FROM SERVICE VERDICT IS THIS
NOT A JOKE ?
THEN APPEAL, PETITION,CHANNEL
OF REDRESSAL ANT THEN
CENTRAL ADMINISTRATIVE TRIBUNAL
i.e.CAT. WHUY SO MUCH LENGTHY
PROCEDURE.
THE OFFICER WHO ISSUES
CHARGESHEET TO AN EMPLYOYEE
WORKING UNDER HIM CANNOT BE JUDGE.
AFTER COMPLETION OF PROCEDURE
THE CASE SHOULD BE GIVEN TO
OTHER OFFFICER FROM DIFFERENT
STATE WHO WILL LOOK AT
PAPERS AND NOT PERSONS SINCE
HE WOULD BE FROM DIFFERENT STATE.
I.C.S. CADRES' APPOINTING
AUTHORITY IS PRESIDENT .
THEIR REMOVAL FROM SERVICE
IS NOT AN EASY JOB.
SO VICTIMS ARE ONLY GR C & D
EMPLOYEES.
AMEND CCS(CCA) RULES 1965
At the present scenarion we r getting nearly about 2.25-2.50% of basic. I must say that the gap between a supporting staff and class I officers is nearly about 18-20 times of pay. I must say that in case of posts created due to death casualities the beneficiaries who get the job must not get the pension at the same time.
ReplyDeleteanonymous said,Govt. servants buying a flat or constructing a house has become a distant dream, for the cost of houses are astronomical and the loans sanctioned comical. cant the govt. take over lands and build houses for the purpose of its employees at reasonable rates? All this hoopla for a meagre raise? its govt.'s duty to see that the emplyees get promotions regularly and are paid well to ensure efficiency otherwise the disgruntled lot tend to waste their time.
ReplyDeletegovt should not hang the issue to see political gains.....it should announce by now.....and with a very good salary structure otherwise india will be run by corporates.....and our boarders would be manned and protected by the corporate companies....
ReplyDeleteIf the pay is low, there are several reasons - low performance, low accountability and high corruption. I'm a Gr.B officer in the (infamous) Central Excise and Customs Dept. and my personal experience is that on an average almost 90% of employees in the service - from Gr.A to Gr.D, are corrupt i.e. they have accepted some kind of illegal monetary or other gratification at some points of their service life, influencing their working or affecting revenue collection. What is most worrisome are the attitude of the new IRS officers. In a recent batch of IRS officers only two among the 24 or so new recruits posted in my area has any sort of integrity. A few of them in fact openly cite the high investment they had to do in order to make to this grade, to justify their actions. Direct recruit Inspectors are no better with 99% of them resorting to corruption within 5 years of their joining.
ReplyDeleteThe second problem is the lack of performance. It is well known that in the govt. sector, the person who works better is made to work more. Ultimately this results in some people getting away without doing any work while others are over burdened. This is mostly the problem in the cadres of Group B and below. Among the Group A officers this problem exists, albeit in a different manner because it does not affect the fellow Gr. A officers but those below him/her. It is said that Gr.A officers get salary for taking decisions because they are not supposed to work in the field level. Often many officers actually shy away from taking decisions - either by dilatory tactics or by making the junior officers put up proposals and only countersigning the same. In case of trouble I have seen many Gr.A officers escape responsibility saying that the lower rank officer misled them. Giving verbal directions to lower level officers and juniors is another way of shrugging off responsibility. Some of them take particular exception if a lower ranking officer subsequently try to get a written order. Gradually this adversely affects the sincere workers, who get the impression that they are being penalized for working hard, particularly since there is no effective carrot and stick policy for good/bad work.
As always, the level of accountability in a govt.organization is much less for all grades of officers compared to their private counterpart. The ACRs have ceased to be an effective instrument, except perhaps at the Gr.A level where it is often used for vindictive purposes.
All these issues prevent a govt. dept from performing at its optimum level. More officers are required to do the job which could have been done with much less. The lack of performance means delay in fulfilling the targets and the sincere workers getting dejected due to work pressure and lack of any effective system of accountability, rewarding a good performance and penalizing bad performance.
Similarly, although internally everyone knows who is an honest officer and who is not, there is no effective mechanism to give boost to honesty and punish the corrupt. The present system of passive vigilance administration has lost its edge due to its misuse or inertness. The overall depressing scenario and all pervading corruption has led to many once-honest officers resorting to corruption after working many years of service with integrity.
Thus, it is not only the pay structure that is needed to be improved. Nor will a sole emphasis on pay boost the performance in the government sector. Instead of a pay commission, there is need to set up a Government Services Reforms Commission to investigate and address the core problems and find a long term solution and the pay related issues could be one of the terms of reference of such a Commission.
Woh kehte the ki aane wala hai..
ReplyDeleteDas saal baad aata hai par aata zaroor hai....
Rula kar aata hai, tarsa kar aata hai par aata zaroor hai...
Muddat hui naye khwaab dekh kar...
Berang zindagi mein waqt kat raha hai...
Woh kehte the ki aane waala hai..
Saalon pehle jab jawaan the..
socha tha mulk ki tarakki mein haath batayenge...
haakim ki mulazamat qabool ki....
Hazaron log salaam karne lage...
Logon ne Afsar ka naya naam bhi diya...
Woh kehte the ki aane waala hai..
waqt guzarta raha, hum purane hote gaye..
mulk aage badh gaya, hum peeche choot te rahe..
Woh kehte the ki aane waala hai..
padosi ka jawaan beta
baap ki tees saal ke tajurbe waali tankhwah
se char guna kamata hai..
pehle hum scooter mein jaate the..ab public bas ki ticket hi kharid paate hain..
woh kehte the ki aane waala hai....
Arrears ki baarish laane wala hai..
Pay COmmission aane waala hai...
Darwaze par dastk huwi
Laga jaise koi aaya hai...
kiwad khol kar dekha, akhbaar pada tha
headlines cheekh kar kahte hain "SIXTH PAY COMMISSION TO DERAIL THE ECONOMY"
new article
ReplyDeletehttp://www.financialexpress.com/news/Pay-panel-estimates-150-civil-service-salary-hike/270980/
It is a damp squib. Jacking up the basic and grounding the DA to 0 %, so net result is more or less the same. Why fix cap of 12000 on HRA ?
ReplyDeleteThe transport allowance should be based on the distance from the residence to office, the government servant travels every day. It should be based on his basic pay and not category.
ReplyDeleteACP should be continuous and for every 5 years of service
Gandhi
There should be a increase of
ReplyDeleteat least 35% in salary packages of govt employees.This increment gives a motivation to work harder than ever& Now a days
inflation are always there & we are suffering a lot due to increase in the prices of basis commodities.
We shall be thankful to you.
Do the need ful & obilige us.
Regards
Deepak
salary of all govt.employees must increase by minimum of 50 %,but salary for TEACHERS must increase by 50-60%,as they ae the main NATION BUILDERS,they really give them education,but only 12,000 p.m is given to them,whereas a 12th pass student gets 15,000 p.m in any bpo or mnc today.salary for PRIMARY TEACHERS are higher in foreign countries than INDIA.so all things must be considered and above all it will help TEACHERS TO WORK HARD AND THEY DONT LEAVE THE JOB AND GO FOR PRIVATE JOB.
ReplyDeleteThe hike in salary is needed to only ONGC,Army and Navy employees...
ReplyDeleteIt must be around 200%
In my opinion if Indian GOVT wanted to stop talanted students flowing away from the GOVT service immediately should hike the salaries.Particularly in education department Even Just passing M.Sc Chemistry students can get more than his teacher. If continue the same salary in few years inefficent students only will apply applications for GOVT job (Because they wont get job in Private sector. Just think, is it possible to shape up society with out talanted students.
ReplyDeleteDEBES, Bangalore
ReplyDeleteThe Pay Commission should think of introducing “Dislocation Allowance”. It is therefore suggested that a “Dislocation Allowance” be introduced for all Central Government employees. This allowance will be calculated on the basis of the distance of employees place of posting from his declared hone town. This type of an allowance will also do away with the discrimination in the payment of SDA amongst different grades of employees which is the case at present. Central Government Employees then will not mind being posted to any place in India (which is not the case at present as every body wants to be accommodated in his/her “hometown”) as the person will be compensated for the hardship he is placed in by being posted away from his home state/town. This will also ensure more movement of officials across different regions of the country thereby promoting the concept of a one-nation.
The minumum increase must be at least 50% of gross salary. If it is less than that, it's just a mere eyewash and will be just a lollipop in the mouth of govt. employees and nothing else.
ReplyDeletePLEASE DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING RATIONAL OR LOGICAL FROM SIXTH PAY COMMISSION FOR THEY DO NOT WANT ANY BODY TO WORK IN GOVERNMENT. THEY CANNOT EVEN MATCH THE PAY PACKETS OF PSUs WITH BABUS. TRANSPORT ALLOWANCE, TRAVELLING ALLOWANCE , HOUSE RENT , CCA ALL THESE NEEDS TO BE LINKED WITH PRICE INDEX LIKE THE DEARNESS ALLOWANCE WHERE AUTOMATIC 100 PER CENT NEUTRALIZATION SHOULD BE DONE. LEAVE ENCASHMENT WHILE IN SERVICE SHOULD BE ALLOWED. LTC RULES SHOULD BE LIBERALISED TO AVAIL THE BEST AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY IN MARKET INSTEAD OF RESTRICTIONS. LIKE ONE OF OUR FRIENDS HAS RIGHTLY COMMENTED THAT WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FEEDS THEM WITH PEANUTS THEY WILL MAKE THE HUMANS REACT AS MONKEYS. SO BE READY TO SCRATCH YOUR HEADS AS WE ARE TO RECEIVE PEANUTS ONLY.
ReplyDeleteTRANSPORT ALLOWANCE SHOULD ALSO BE REVISED ALONG WITH DA MATCHING THE OIL PRICE INDEX. WHAT WAS THE COST OF THE PETROL 10 YEARS BACK WHEN THE PREVIOUS PAY COMMISSION WAS IMPLEMENTED AND WHAT IS THE PRICE NOW ? BUT NO INCREASE IN TRANSPORT ALLOWANCE, IT IS THE SAME 200/400 AND 400/800.
ReplyDeleteRESTORE OUR HOUNOUR
ReplyDelete***PAY INCREASE= 200%
***INCREASE IN STRICT DISCIPLINARY MEASURES= 1000%
I think highly skilled professionals like scientists, doctors, army officers desrve special pay in the form of additional allowance of about 30 percent and doctors NPA at 50 percent and those working in difficult areas need to be encouraged by special incentives of about 30 percent. Working freedom for scientists should be given and biasness based on regionalsim, caste, religion, language is spoil scientific temper in India. Hence fair assessment through written examinations and use of modern techniques to evaluate the performance should be used. The assesors should not know whom he/the group is assesing.
ReplyDeleteAnnonymous
When the pay commission comes the government servants who are working for the government outside India on Diplomatic posting are hardly benifitted as they are not entitled to any emoluments like DA, HRA,CONVEYANCE,CCA Allowances..the rise is just in basic which amounts to hardly few dollars....they are the same candidates who have cleared the UPSC and are in foreign service...what they get is a fixed foreign allowance which is governed by the UN index...i would suggest the pay commission to give them other benifits like conveance allowance, DA from time to time apart from the Foreign allowance fixed by UN index mechanism. This will make them at par with their counterparts in India....Living in a foreign land is more of a difficult place to work than in your own country where you have to maintain certain amount of decorum to keep the reputation of your country....INDIA
ReplyDeleteI am working as Programmer in Govt. Arts College in tamilnadu. The govt. has fixed the minimum qualification as B.Sc. Computer Science for this post. But the scale of pay is 3050 as Lab. Asst. post. The minimum qualification for Lab Asst. is 10th pass. I am appointed as Programmer in the Lab. asst. cadre. What a great Cheating by the Govt. Our Association has sent request for the change of Pay Scale. But no response becuase we are few persons. So they didn't bather about our request. Now what should i do? Please give some idea.
ReplyDeleteThough the pay commission recommendation is not comparable to the IT industry/Private Banking, it is much better than other private companies. These IT and banking have grown recently based on the business from outside the country. This is a short term gain. If IT companies also do business with all the benefits removed from govt, then can also pay similar to other private companies. Only Top brass will get better in other private companies. The worst effected persons who still work for the privatized PSUs where there the pay is literally freezed for last 5 years with a small fixed increase per year which is less than 5%. If one adds the inflation to their original PSU pay (before pay commission) it is much higher than what they get today. They are also IT firm. In lot of IT firms doing domestic business, the pay is lesser than govt pay as their margins are low. So one should not always compare the top IT and banking companies for regular government staff. Also note a non-it person in any IT firm are paid less than an equivalent person in government. IAS/IPS/Scientists should always be treated better.
ReplyDeleteThe increase would obviously be negligible when compared to packages of private sector, so its better to accept these negligible changes and njoy whatever we get rather than making it a big issue. As these people deciding 6 th pay scales are good for nothing!!!!
ReplyDelete1)40% hike in salary may be very unfair in view of pays in private service
ReplyDelete2)edible oil 100/kg can not buy ordinay man, ultimately he will leave to eat edible oil
The increase in salaries as per sixth pay commission in respect of Group-B, Group-C and group-D staff is just 10 to 20 per cent, whereas for Group-A, the raise is between 30 to 40 per cent. Same case is in respect of pensioners. The pensioners of Group-B, C & D i.e. upto the pension of Rs. 7,000 is very less, whereas for pensioners in group-A is much more.
ReplyDeletethe staff upto group-B and pensioners upto the pension of Rs. 8,000 should additionally given 20 percent weightage of 25% percent for fixation of their pays.
Pay goes up and cost of living goes up also. So standard of living does not go up significantly. The officials at lower and middle stage cannot improve their standard as the pay-packet does not allow it. It is enough to maintain life for survival.
ReplyDeleteA terrible cost is paid for even this type of life. Almost 17-18 years of stagnation at same post before getting first promotion is the torture inflicted on the personality is biggest cruelty. It does not get compensated. A smart person joining govt. service 18 years back through SSC or UPSC competition at a Group'B' non-gazetted post is left a pale shadow of self. The Government cannot, ever, be a model employer. It, surely, does not expect to retain better people who would give best performance every passing day. Nobody understands this.
R/sir,
ReplyDeleteI am working in CFMT&TI Budni, Govt, of India Ministry of Agril. to the post of Senior Instructor in the pay scale of 6500-10,500 Gazetted since 1995 and basic qualification for recruitment of this post is B-Tech in Agril. Engg. with two year working experience in which pay scale would be considered.
Thanking you
(Ram Krit Ram)
What I expect is just what the pay commission promised 40%. As per my calculation an officer joiningon 1 Jan 2006 in the scale of Rs 800-13500 should get his salary fixed at Rs 24000 as on 1 jan 2006. That would be reasonable and on par with 5th Pay Commission.
ReplyDeleteThere is no fixed scale for lecturers working in various unaided colleges.The scale to be common.
ReplyDeleteThe pay scales now provided for Group"C" posts is comparatively very low especially in respect of UDC's and Headclerks serving in All India Radio & Doordarshan. Atleast pay equivalent to the pay structure of Civil Accounts Service now provided in old scales may be provided with a reasonable one step above scales to UDC, Headclerk/Accountant/Assistants. The works dealing by each LDC/UDC/Accountant/Head Clerk is now twice as that comparable with other Deptts.Hence Two/three steps above the scales in old pay may be increased and corresponding new scle to that m ay be provided.
ReplyDeleteArmy 'Y' Gp Soldiers are getting 3050 as basic Pay and after two ACPs they are entitled the pay Scale of 3625 as Basic Pay. However other Centrl Govt employees in the Pay scale of 3050 are getting Rs.5000/- as basic Pay after two ACPs. This anomolies to be removed in the Sixth Pay Commission.
ReplyDeleteSixth Central Pay Commission in its report has not examined the pathetic condition of the Central Govt employees and has given some recommendations which have been recommended without any proper thought. For example the ACP has been proposed to be scraped. Does the Pay Commission want that an employee recruited in a post need not be promoted throughout his entire service. Probably the Chairman and Members of the Pay Commission and their advisors cannot think of a situation that in Central Govt lakhs of employees do not get a single promotion and there are others few lakh who get only one promotion. After implementation of the Fifth Pay Commission recommondations employees were getting at least two promotions through ACP. Another such recommendation is abolition of CCA. A low paid employee knows how difficult is to servive in large cities in comparison to small towns. Probably the Chairman and Members of the Commission get everything free in Delhi (they being big guns) and feel that there is no need for CCA. Interestingly no supporting data has been mentioned in support of the recommendation of abolition of CCA. The recommendation of recommending MSP to Service officers over and above the pay package of their civilian counterparts is also not well thought of recommendation. A Service officer is only 12 pass and whatever qualification or expetise he acquires is at the cost of public funds while in service. Civilian Officers compete in the most difficult competitive examination yet being recommended lesser pay package. As regards they having higher risk to life it may be pertinent to mention that now-a-days the whole world is sitting on bombs and nobody is completely safe. Govt offices are also prone to security risk of a high order. The recommendations regarding reduction of commutation value of pension, reduction in the amount of annual increment, reduction in the percentage of DA etc. are some other recommendations which have been recommended without proper thought to the pros and cons of the problems attached to these issues.
ReplyDeleteIf the present trend continues India will face sub time prime crisis. Inflation is more than 11.50%. The Government should control Inflation or put money into people's pocket to meet inflation. Government is going to do neither. Public Sector Banks, companies, State Government will follow sixth pay commission. There will not be much hike to the people working in this Sectors. In Private Sector except software, BPOs and top level management salary is poor. So they will also not have good money. Many people who have taken housing loans on floating rate already feeling the pinch. Their EMIs have gone up from Rs.2000/- p.m. to nowhere. In 2004 this Govt. opened real estate investment to FIIS on repatriation basis. Their rush of investment taken the real estate prices to unrealistic levels. Our people have taken loans from Housing finance instiutions and Banks and bought houses/flats at exhorbitant rates. Now the inflation catching up people will have shell money for meeting basic needs and transportation. Housing budgets have gone criss cross. Real estate started shaking. What this govt. has done. Asked the SEBI to relax mutual fund regulations. Now mutual funds are allowed to invest in real estates with the hopes the demand and price level to sustain. In the Govt. doesn't control inflation people last priority will be repayment of housing loans. Or the Government should put money into people's pocket. If neither of these not done take it from me INDIA WILL HAVE SUB PRIME CRISIS VERY SOON.
ReplyDeleteSome Idiots suggested that giving money to govt. employees will increase inflation. Well, don't give the money. But control inflation. If you are unable to control inflation, then put money into people's pocket to meet inflation. Otherwise it is envitable we will have Sub prime crisis
I heard the news that the date of effet is gpong to be changed as 1.1.2007 instead of 1.1.2006 as previously announced
ReplyDeleteplease confirm .I have retired during Sep 2006
LATEST NEWS REGARDING PAY COMMISSION
ReplyDeleteThe empowered committee to look into the sixth pay commission recommendations has recommended an additional pay of 15 percent for the armed and paramilitary forces in addition to the pay scales recommended by the pay commission in its initial report. The committee has also suggested for an increase in all the basic pay scales and grade pay recommended by the pay commission. Highlights of the suggestion is an increase for the annual increment from 2.5 percent to 4 percent. One of the draw back in the suggestion is regarding the implementation of the pay revision with effect from 1.1.2007 instead of 1.1.2006. This means that Government Officials will be losing a full year arrears if implemented.
The Committee suggested two modification
(1) The total number of Grades be reduced to 15 spread across 10 distinct running pay band.
(2) The Annual Increment for all group to be paid at the rate of four percent of the total pay in the pay band and the corresponding grade pay.
NEW REVISED PAY SCALE SUBMITED BY REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR APPROVAL IN JULY 2008
Corresponding Pay Bands Grade Pay New Scale suggested by review comm. Pay Band Grade Pay Salary
S-1 2550-55-2660-60-3200 5500-16500 PB1 2500 8000
S-2 2610-60-3150-65-3540 5500-16500 PB1 2500 8000
S-2A 2610-60-2910-65-4000 5500-16500 PB1 2500 8000
S-3 2650-65-3300-70-4000 5500-16500 PB1 2500 8000
S-4 2750-70-3800-75-4400 5500-16500 PB1 2500 8000
S-5 3050-75-3950-80-4590 6500-19500 PB2 3000 9600
S-6 3200-85-4900 6500-19500 PB2 3250 9750
S-7 4000-100-6000 7500-22500 PB3 4000 11500
S-8 4500-125-7000 7500-22500 PB3 4500 12000
S-9 5000-150-8000 8500-26500 PB3 5000 14500
S-10 5500-175-9000 9500-28500 PB4 6000 15500
S-11 6500-200-6900 9500-28500 PB5 6000 15500
S-12 6500-200-10500 9500-28500 PB5 6000 15500
S-13 7450-225-11500 9500-28500 PB5 6000 15500
S-14 7500-250-12000 9500-28500 PB5 6000 15500
S-15 8000-275-13500 15000-45000 PB6 7000 22000
S-16 9000 Fixed 15000-45000 PB6 7000 22000
S-17 9000-275-9550 15000-45000 PB6 7000 22000
S-18 10325-325-10975 16000-48000 PB7 8000 24000
S-19 10000-325-15200 16000-48000 PB7 8000 24000
S-20 10650-325-15850 16000-48000 PB7 8000 24000
S-21 12000-375-16500 17000-51000 PB8 9000 26000
S-22 12750-375-16500 17000-51000 PB8 9000 26000
S-23 12000-375-18000 17000-51000 PB8 9000 26000
S-24 14300-400-18300 18000-54000 PB9 10000 28000
S-25 15100-400-18300 18000-54000 PB9 10000 28000
S-26 16400-450-20000 18000-54000 PB9 11000 29000
S-27 16400-450-20900 18000-54000 PB9 11000 29000
S-28 14300-450-22400 40000-60000 PB10 12000 52000
S-29 18400-500-22400 40000-60000 PB10 12000 52000
S-30 22400-525-24500 40000-60000 PB10 13000 53000
S-31 22400-600-26000 40000-60000 PB10 15000 55000
S-32 24050-650-26000 40000-60000 PB10 18000 58000
The suggestions are however subject to final approval.
The Government is worried over the inflation. Ex RBI Governor has said putting money into hands of Govt. employees will further increase inflation. What the Govt. should do to contain inflation. During last year more corporates like Reliance, more (Aditya Birla Group) Big Bazaar in addition to Subhiksha, Spencer have entered into retail market. These biggies are now selling vegetables, Cereals and pulses. During Trust motion in Lok Sabha the finance minister boasted of record production in rice, wheat etc. Record production must have given record supplies in the market. Consequently price should have come down. Rather prices have gone up. Why? These corporates which have spent huge sums on creating infrastructure on retails outlets must have purchased these cereals, pulses edible oils in millions of tonnes and kilos. That itself would have created artificial scarcity. A small vendor at the street end maximum stock two or three gunny bags of wheat, rice etc. But these corporates with state of art warehousing must have stored millions of tonnes. I heard Reliance has a godown in Nagpur where it can preserve Onions for six months. Then imagine how these corporates can play a role in fixing prices. Corporates cartel in cement has proved that they are interested only in profits and not in common man. Amend the essential commodities Act. Ban these biggies from retails trading in Cereals, pulses and edible oils. These are products of inelastic demand. Corporates know that the people have to buy these products whatever may be the price. Reliance said that its entry into retail market would stabilise price. Yes, the price has stabilised but at higher level. Before these corporates came into retail, during the times of Bumper harvest, Tomatoes can be bought at 3 Kgs. at Rs.10/-. Now Prices refuse to come down. In Nellore, Andra Pradesh, Ponny rice is not available in the market. Where these have gone. Godowns/warehouses of corporates. Whether atleast the farmers have been benefitted by these price rise? No. Earlier middle men, Now corporates have benefitted. Ban the corporates from trading of Cereals, pulses, vegetables, fruits and edible oils. Next minute markets will be flooded with these products. Prices will come down. But whether the Govt. has will power to do that. As Supreme Court has said Even God cannot save this country. May the people die. Let the corporates flourish on the corpses of the people. Long live corpses.
ReplyDeleteAs the infrastructre of all the Govt. Offices are not same but the way of competition is same If you see the Main Ministry there have a lot of Channeal for promotion from LDC to Under Secretary but the subordinate Department like CGHS there have lot of work but the LDC comes from SSC and reitre mostly LDC or UDC becasue there is a no promotion avenus for future prospect the candidates comes CGHS to face the competition and whole life destroys here to work as a LDC. while the pay of Scale of LDC are same in every MInistry or Department & Subordinate Department so why the huge difference among there while the competion channel is same one person join in Ministry or attached department he reaches at the post of SO or Under secretary and if he comes in the subordinate deparment of the Ministry he gets ACP without promotion or cannot face the Department Exam of the Ministry or conducted by SSC and UPSC why it is a big gap in the infrastructre. The Govt. Can take step to give equal right to the candiates who comes from the SSC and those who give their whole life for the department. I want to ask why the subordiante employees working in anywhere get the same benefit while the Govt. pay sacle or rules regulation are same I want to request to read my views and take the suitable action to give equality to all. and the rule can be made same to all who comes in any organisation to Govt. of India. so kindly think to give equal status for all. one side we are going towards 21st Century and other side the employees in Central Govt. are facing this type problem of rule & regulation so I request you that give the opportunity to all. so kindly remove this gap and give the equal benefit to all the employees to face the Department Exam and at least three time bound promotion so he think that his choice was good to get this way to live a life
ReplyDeleteAfter putting in some 18 years of service, I feel defeated at the hands of our politiicans who still are not able to realise the ground reality we are facing in our day to day lives. The media is quick to project this pay commission as a "Big Bonanza" for the Babus. Dont you think that every time such a article is broadcast or appears in print every honest/sincere government servant feels bad. The media says that there is a huge pay increase but honestly speaking ask any government servant apart from the Class One Officers (The Almightys) then they will work out the difference and show you the real figure. Believe it or not our policy makers decide that apart from their own salaries nothing else matters. What is approved in the Cabinet today is nothing but helping the high class babu who already enjoy so much benefits. GOD HELP US!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteIf this is the wage hike, the duration should not exceed more than 5 years.Can any one compare this salary after 10 years with private sector?.
ReplyDeletewe total happy by this comm /..
ReplyDeletethis is a scale of a NC works out there at armed force ....
thats exactly same as private peon
...chitambaram ..very odd..
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Can anybody send a software for calculation for payroll based on sixth pay commission? is there any vendor in India for Govt. salary payroll business?
ReplyDeleteThe general perception of equating govt. service with 'babudom' seems inherently misplaced. There is certainly more to govt. servant apart from baus and beaurocrates (who are largely, if not wholly dispensable), viz. doctors, engineers, veterinarians, scientists and defense personals to name a few. They are destined to be on the receiving end of undue disdain on account of being unfortunately clubbed in the larger misnomer of BABUDOM. As a result, they suffer in terms of public perception, media image and governmental apathy in renumarations,etc. The babus is a unique phenomenon gifted by Britishers for a specific purpose and is no more needed in changed circumstances. Its absence in Britain speaks for itself.
ReplyDeleteThe defence secretary is a Babu...What an irony for India.. Our Generals bow to them...The IAS people are running this nation ...from defence forces to politicians under their arm and keeping them at bay... There are natural disasters (floods,earthquakes etc) riots, internal disturbances.. call army (they can accept any damn thing "peanuts" as well) since they are soldiers.. won't say anything.. why can't this country come under military rule at least just for one year..Each pay commission has downgraded only defence forces... Shame on our generals, Shame on our all Governments so far... Shame on Babus... No body will join forces... People at middle level ranks will definitely quit forces leaving a huge vacuum... Govt pl wake up. Babus- Kuchh to sharam karo
ReplyDeleteIts high time for institution to implement 6th Pay Scales as per the UGC, CPC, Ministry of HRD (MHRD) directives. There are two pay bands PB-3 and PB-4 for teachers. Fixation is done through multiplier of 1.86 for PB-3 and tables issued by the Financial Ministry( revision of table 2.2.2 originally proposed by the Comittee) for PB-4. I have made an editable and modifiabe Excel Workbook for comparing the impact on gross salary from 5th pay scales. This file contains all the references from the goverment websites.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.wps.co.in/resources/5th%20CPC%20and%206th%20CPC%20Comparison.xls
Govt. should restrict\control salaries upto some extent, since they are putting bad effect on the employees working in private sector. Private co. emps. are poorer in comparison to Govt. employees, even after retirement private employee are not benefited for getting pension or any type of medical aid.
ReplyDeleteAs confirmed by various court, GREF (General Reserve Engineer Force) is an integral part of Armed Force, Both Army Act and CCS Conduct rules applicable to GREF Employee. The 6th pay commission has not recommended our service as Armed Force. Please consider our department as Armed Fore and sanction all facilities applicable to other Armed Force person to GREF employee while implementing 7th CPC.
ReplyDeletePay differences should be minimize,pay for pay band 1 and pay band 2 should be increase more than pay band 3 and 4 otherwise low level pay scale will be 30000 and highest level pay will be 4 lakh ,it will create poor will become poorer and rich will king.specially in defence pay structure difference between officers and soldiers is very very high ,this gap must be minimize otherwise british rule will exist like king and slave.
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ReplyDeleteMPs and MLAs salaries are increased whenever they think without any period of time. PSUs and State Governments are increasing the salaries of their staff for every 5 years whereas the central govt. officials salaries are raised for 10 years. This is quite meaningless and why this discrimination and partiallity against these officials is not understood. With in the span of 10 years period, how many times petrol/diesel, essential commodities and other services rates are increased but the hike in the CpC would be very negligible and moreover this would be publicised through media twenty four hours. This is all polytical drama. No govt. servant wants hike in their salaries, if the rates of commodities are not increased. If honestly govrnment wants to hike the salaries of central govt. officials, it must be at least four times of their present gross salaries, when the period of revision is 10 years. Otherwise no central govt.official can meet the raised rates of commodities/goods/services/feezes etc., in the society. And also income tax exemption must be enhanced in respect of govt.officials.
The pay fixation of the soldiers as mentioned in the sixth pay commission is not still sought out. The letters forwarded to higher Head quarters are not been answered. What will be expect in 7th when the 6th one is not cleared till date
ReplyDeleteREQUEST JOB EVALUATION OF INDIAN AIR FORCE STAFF (AIRMEN) AND FIX PAY SCALE ACCORDINGLY
ReplyDeleteDear sir, I have the following few words for your kind consideration. When a young man joins in Indian Air Force then he has to study many things along with his physical and armed training. He has to study Hindi, English, General Science, Air Force rules and regulations and many many technical lessons and all these he has to learn through English medium. All instructions are given in English and to understand these is not bachcho ka khel. He has to pass exams step by step and then only he becomes a permanent staff. During doing service he has to pass different promotion exam to last in the service and this promotion exam is not so easy (bachcho ka khel nehi). In nutshell, when a man joins Air Force he enters in a english medium school where he has to study everything in english and has to pass all exams to be permanent staff. In other services, candidates need not study and pass hard exams to be permanent member. Such a trained man gets payment in the pay scale of 5200 rupees only. Whereas, in civil a trained man means a man who knows typing only and he need not study anything to be permanent staff of that organization. Such a man gets 5200 or more scale. Is it not a whimsicality ? I request pay commission to evaluate job of air force and fix starting pay scale little bit higher than present scale. I suggest to make scale at least 7200—25400 (as per present scale) for air force staff (from rank AC to MWO). Please refer comment of Air Chief Marshal Latif about “What should be payment of airmen of Indian Air Force”.
“Duniya se samyabaad ubharti ja rahi hai”…..this slogan is liked by most of the people in India. It indicates that most of the defence personnel also like this slogan. It indicates that they do not want equality and if so then everyone should get their right as per their qualifications and quality. In all civil services, whose pay scale falls between 5200-20200 for them, no study and no passing of exams are required to make their job permanent. They get the job and start working. But for airmen of Indian Air Force, they have to study a lot and pass all exams and then they become permanent member (yeh bachcho ka khel nehi). You can go to training center and can see what are the things they have to study along with their physical and armed training. In other service, people get smile on joining the service and executes love and conjugal life but on joining air force a man becomes sorrow by seeing the study material and syllabus that he has to study and pass to become permanent member. Therefore, I request to change pay scale from 5200-20200 and upgrade scale at least 7200-25400 for airmen of Indian air force. It is harder to become an airman than becoming a teacher, a state govt. officer and many more like these. Therefore, I request to do job evaluation of airmen of Indian Air Force and fix scale accordingly.